Magic build.

[delekates]

So okay. I can't buy extra gems because shop is not working for me, as far as i can get is now a mana lump, and i don't understand what are you as a dev thinking when placing a mage in auto clicker game without proper automatic process. Like literally you want me to get useless mask that gives 3 sec auto cast? when there is only 1 usable spell before warp 1 without donation...
when enemies are not just getting tough, progressing from level to level, then just in couple shards - during progress on the level, they become even more beefy - making 3sec cast trash.


You made 8clicks spell lvl 1 str fot str/crit build.

Do i really have to install auto clicker that presses button to cast spells, do i really?
Is it so hard to just give an option to auto cast when there is mana? If you do, please make it not cast spells when there aren't any enemies, mkay? :)
Yes, you can replace dumb spell with auto clicker ability.

I would play only str build but some bosses are too small for fire sword to hit them constantly :D

Yes, i do understand that you want money for auto progression, but ether sell auto clicker or make builds playable. This can be play tested or maybe it was?

[rob_s_cat2]

to be blunt, don't limit yourself by only thinking you have to use one tree only in a build. flexibility is key later in a shard and in later shards in a galaxy.
blizzard is affected by ice swords, and ice swords level 1 hits for your total damage as displayed in the drop down down from your damage box. this means a lv 10 ice sword (which is a blizzard modifier) hits 10x harder than your total damage.
once you get to diviner's luck, the critting ability of both ice swords and mana lump use your crit modifier as displayed in that same box.
mana lump is based on your total mana pool as well as having the same basic damage attributes of ice sword.
what this means in practice is that both mana lump and diviner's luck benefit from getting either damage or crit modifiers.
an alternative to the pilgrim mask, which is admittedly strong if you're afk a lot, is going down the dex tree in your build to the wind mask and getting that instead. the autocast isn't there, but the skill after the wind mask, which you gain access to by GETTING the wind mask due to the +2 dex, gives a chance cast. it also speeds up soul output, which is the key to doing what you're trying to do successfully. there is also a soul based cast, but i don't use that personally primarily because there are 3 other multipliers and autoclick that i use in the souls menu.
as soon as you get march, blacksmith, and indefatigable from strength, you have enough from there, and this combination is enough with mana lump to finish any shard, any multiplier, without shard shop purchases, if you have accurately upgraded a weapon.

now try asking the right questions. there are a few builds and item setups that are successful, and knowing them all at this stage is only a matter of asking the right questions.

[delekates]

Eh i would say i don't find it difficult to progress or make builds, even though i didn't saw full progression tree, and yes after couple galaxies, i bet you will be able to just plunder all your points in all 3 directories and be victorious.
Then again, i spent 50 out of 80hours actually playing game, because it lacks automatic progress.

Then you talk about time when you get glorious 300 shards purchase, if you didn't spent them else where, from quests and saves and bosses (if you able to buy not like me whose shop is not working somehow then you are on the bright side of the game) which actually gives extra 30 points for 30 lvls which will give some variety which you mentioned.
If i would like to say how game is bad, i would leave negative review, which probably none would see. But i like the game and i see a giant hole which can be fixed just by changing autocast.

There is no tutorial in the game, i can't read skills until i actually open them, so i played the "intended" way - i opened skills then read them just to know that they are not intended to be opened early. This is, for me - charming idea, if you don't read guides and try to beat game by trials.

But i don't like dumb things. I don't mind long progression or even if progression is locked behind grinding lvl before boss for days.

ps. thanks for spoilers, i don't really understand what skills you discussed, but i see that gameplay you talk about is around 100-200 hours after i use my autoclicker... You get it?

[Brainy]

just wait till you find out that you fked up your stones in the noname dagger and you put them into the heavy weaps, like me. had to start over after 100 hours, now im way ahead of my first try.

i also dont get your autoclicker thing, i never had to use any clickers outside the game. Just go the strg in beginning and dex tree in the middle late shard, this will get you through the whole first galaxy by no time.....

i had my probs with some mechanics too, but there are some helpful guys who rly put me on the right road, one of them you alrdy met.

[delekates]

eh i don't like crit build. You need too much to have constant crits. Also i didn't have an extra crit damage ring until last shard, so maybe i'll try it later again. But after i saw that there is mask that gives you perma dex i find it so unfair, that id rather not try this until it gets fixed.

[rob_s_cat2]

you do get my 'autoclicker thing'. in the souls menu, the very top entry is 'autoclick'.
i said nothing of crit builds, i don't physical crit builds myself because they slow me down. magic is a different animal.
i also never said the +2 dex is permanent.
i also never gave any spoilers. if you have beaten the first boss in the first shard and got a boss box, you have every option i talked about.
in fact, i never mentioned the two options you just don't have yet before finishing your first galaxy, one of which you have to actively allocate, and THAT'S the only spoiler i'll give you!
don't bother mentioning how many hours. i have close to 1400 hours in the game, i don't think in terms of hours, and i lost count of how many galaxies i've gone through after filling a picture out that you don't even have yet (again because you haven't finished your first galaxy). if you're going to play, play, but it's not polite to insult the intelligence of another player out of misdirected frustration. that said, i had finished my first galaxy within 10 hours of starting the game.
now please read what i'm typing, not what you think i'm typing.

automatic progress is achieved through this combination:
- get the skills you want to upgrade to lvl 2
- change souls output to 'learn skill'
- get either pilgrim mask or the skill one after the wind mask (preferably the latter, the instakill crits make a difference early on)
- get blacksmith if it's not in your normal build
you'll likely need more than 3 sp/lvl for this build. 6 should be enough. the order they're typed is the order of preference. if you can manage all of this, you have 3 solid multipliers and totally automated progress before you even go looking at the wisdom tree.

don't expect to come back and see it has finished a shard, it may have, but the automatic skill allocation doesn't allocate anything near evenly, it favours magic amp quite a lot, but it will make progress and it is definitely set and forget, and will get you further than an external autoclicker, and likely further than any simple script that doesn't pull information directly from the game data.

also, please note that i'm one of the most advanced players in the game currently. wulfster has a better weapon, but i am more developed in other areas. if i'm saying something is the case, it's because i have played through it and experienced it that way and taken notes. you're quite welcome to find your own path and see how successful it is, which is what the game's all about anyway.

[delekates]

when did you start new run last time?
you can't finish galaxy in 10 hours.

also assuming that you gave no spoilers is quite fun.
You can't reach to the end of the line in first galaxy unless you buy shards.
I say more, you can reach half being super slow after couple shards.

I do understand you have a lot of hours, but i do see that you didn't tried NG quite a while ago.

ps souls output to learn skill will be in maybe 6-7th shard of first galaxy, i just reached 5 souls and i am only close to finish 4th shard.

[I Like Guppy]

Originally posted by delekates:

you can't finish galaxy in 10 hours.

this is quite doable without curse actually.
some of us like him and few other have already have shard upgrades that lets us finish a shard within 1-2 rituals without curse.
more shard we finish, more shard we get. more shard we get more bonuses we can buy

[delekates]

yea ng+ run seems doable for sure, but this guy says you can do first galaxy in 10 hours.

[rob_s_cat2]

time for you to get your calculator out then and try to prove me wrong. i'm done with helping you after that comment.

[Kad]

I wonder all this back and forth... no one really truly points out that initially you just cant get by without playing a bit in every tree. Youre just starting, your primary weapon sucks and then youre getting a feel for the game. All of the sudden bam two champions per level, shard modifiers and everything you thought you knew... blown to s**t. So at some point your damage can't compare to the mob hp growth and you need a new skill that will provide a multiplier bonus instead of an additive bonus. Furthermore, if the OP wants to get an autoclicker thats pretty cool.. i don't know how much that will help honestly, like ok u cleared the shard now what? It's actually better to purposely not be able to clear a shard while youre afk. 3 second autocast is plenty fine anyway... if u cant kill a boss with 60 hits of mana lump then youre just not strong enough.

[delekates]

rob s cat, all you said was - you need 6sp/ lvl to get my autoclicker build
i don't even know how many shards this will be, first +1sp lvl is 300 shards, if next is 450 then... then i don't think 20+ dollars/euros is quite the right thing to get automation of the process, especially with that slow casting.

And plainly saying "i beat galaxy in first playthrough in 10 hours" doesn't make your words any heavier. You got video on that maybe? i don't think so.

Also no help was asked, people post oppinions on forums, thats mine. Yes i might've made tons of mistakes but if i couldn't get even to half in 80 hours (i played clickers/idle before and never had to use autoclickers) and it is actually possible to beat first without any donations then eather this game is broken and has some 1 way trick which is lame or i am clearly a bad player and is not able to count 1+1.

in total what i wanted to say, if you able to get to state where you can make automatic progress in 10hours, then okay i am wrong and whole discussion is useless.
Usually idles make you able to afk quite fast, this game if you afk you don't progress, at all.

[Brainy]

the first galaxy is a no brainer rly, just go the strg and dex tree like we said, magic is for later builds i guess, i didnt tapped too deep into it, i kinda tested it on the "get a random mask" shard but that was more a try and error.

next thing which will help you alot is read up how to enchant your weap and what rings to use. Thats it rly.

imo the game rly starts after the first galaxy, take it as NG+ like in Borderlands, the true madness starts after the first playthrough :D

[wulfster42]

I'm pretty sure nobody can spend money right now for shards. I don't think they have added that yet. I know I never did.

As far as finishing the first galaxy in 10 hours, it's possible, although I would imagine you need to already have read info on a board, or be restarting. I played for a week and got stuck on the 5th shard of the first galaxy (invested in a heavy weapon). I got info on the board saying use no-name dagger and get it's cost down to 1, and so I restarted and did that.

I finished the first galaxy in 2 days, but not sure how many hours I played (certainly more than 10), but I still was pretty new. If I tried it now...I might be able to do it in 10....but it would be pushing it for sure.

That being said...IF you know a few tricks (like leaving the game for a bit before starting a new shard to accumulate candles in that shard), and you don't count time not playing the game, you could probably do it pretty easy (don't remember how many shards there are in the first galaxy).

Later on, with high curse multipliers, I use that method later on in a galaxy after resist. I finish a shard, go into the next, log out, and when I come back I have enough shards (you need 10 minimum) to reincarnate.....and my wax multiplier gives me enough shards to get at least a couple auto-potions for free, and boost my damage/skill points so I can rush through 10 or 20 (depending on the multiplier) which gives me enough at that point to finish the shard (almost doing it in 1 run basically).

The game is the hardest in the first galaxy, once you get poison soul after the first galaxy, everything is literally 100x easier (Because poison soul can boost damage by 100x lol).

Me and rob and some other old timers all played BEFORE poison soul was added, but even then the first galaxy was the largest challenge, and it just got easier (albiet a bit slower) after that.

As it gets easier, you finish shards faster, and every boos gives +5 shards (5 bosses per shard at shard 4 or higher in a galaxy). This means you get the normal 19 shards a day (3 quests + 3 from save) and about 5 shards per hour you play at that point (possibly more/faster if your not running with a curse multiplier though).

So yeah, getting thousands of shards becomes pretty easy/normal.

Eventually some day additional constilations will be added, which will make the game alot easier. Hopefully before that happens, additional levels or difficiulty will be added in order to make it neccesary to actually get those galaxies.

Sadly, many of use have played too much, and will be able to fill them all out when they are added. I'm not really happy about that, but didn't want to stop playing all together. I limit myself to 1 shard a day.....but even with that, I have enough points to fill out 4 more constilations (possibly more)....which is probably going to ruin new content for me, or make me be able to almost instantly finish it (like I did with the curse shrines).

I don't want a full reset though because we have all spent too much time building up our characters. With over 1000 hours for many of us, that is just too much time to lose.

So not sure what the solution is honestly at this point. But for new players, it's often shard 5 that is the massive wall....and if you don't read this board or get help, you can get completely stuck.

[delekates]

eh i dropped game. I got noname dagger to tier 7 and got cost to 1. I've got all possible multipliers on it too, which were dropped for me all this time. On strenght doesn't reset shard through 10 hours of play i wasn't able finish shard, i would say i had to control gameplay every 30-60 minutes. I feel that this game is not idle, it's clicker for sure. I guess my brain is too small to play this game, i took all possible multipliers and used souls to autoclick and a wind mask.

My oppinion this is bad clicker, it takes too much time to get to the "go mode".
My candles multiplier is 10, yea i could've farmed i guess to something like 20? but it's not 10 hours of gameplay on first galaxy.

I would challenge you guys to record 10hour gameplay of finishing first galaxy, but i don't care because i dropped game anyways :D Good luck.

i gave this game 125 hours, probably 50 were overnights + time that i wasn't playing it, not worth.

[wulfster42]

boggle how can you have problems on the strength doesn't reset shard, that was a gift shard lol, it's like a magic shard where nothing is hard and the world loves you. It's whenyou get to see all the skills (and get dissapointed that you probably already saw most of them lol).

With strength not resetting you can get ALL the strength skills right away, and ONLY spend points on the dex ones, heck even in the first galaxy you can get almost every useful melee skill that way. You can certainly get up to on target, and have plenty of points to put in all the strength skills + that + ambush for 100% crit rate.

I like danced in the moonlight and sang songs of murder and death when I got to the first flame shard lol.