Is there a way to confirm if we got the right ending? [Spoilers]

[ALX]

I just finished the game and I'm wondering if I got every cases right. Anyone have found something in the ending that confirms it? I feel I got it right but it itches me that I don't have any game clear confirmation to it ...

My ending was pretty much Henry, Crimson Acid, Doctor Doom, One last kiss and the demon (nani da hell?) released

[hyphz]

There is never anything in the ending that confirms anything, only the court case. You can start the trial instantly, make random accusations that all fail, execute Henry, then sprint for Lydia's car and leave and you'll get the same ending scenes. (I don't know how quickly you can speedrun this.)

Most of the time in the court case, a correctly accused person will explain something about what happened whereas an innocent person will just deny everything. Also sometimes just before the judgement the judge will say something like "The truth sparkles brilliantly..." which is presumably a signal that you got the right evidence.

The accusations I got which I think got all the explanations were (massive spoilers obviously):


Henry's Escape: Akiko
Henry's Possession: Yuri
Grace's death: Carmelita
K.HX's death: Yuri
The First Seal: Akiko
The Second Seal: Lydia (Sam adds himself)
The Third Seal: Dainonigate (Sam added by the judge)
The Fourth Seal: Dainonigate (Sam added by the judge)
Who killed the council: Killer Demon
The first conspiracy: Witness
The second conspiracy: Carmelita

[Devilfish]

It's kind of the point of the game though. Truth or fact? It really is for you to decide and you have to live with it. I think it's a very conscious design choice but I could be wrong.

Although I am very curious as to how you got to your list of suspects.

[hyphz]

I think most of them are pretty standard? There's a few stuck, but it seems that it's impossible to tell if Danonigate or the Killer Demon (or both) actually killed the council, but both are dead, so it doesn't really matter. The only awkward one is about Yuri breaching the seals but if they did he had Danonigate with him, and there's also the possibility of Carmelita using the portals to take him there from Witness's apartment.

[SongOfStorms]

I thought it was Carmelina taking him through via the portals but i believe the correct sequence of events is Yuri helped him through the seals since you find petals in the astronaut helmet and in the penthouse. I’m really unsure how you’re supposed to pin it on Yuri since the way they ask you who did what is very specific and rigid but maybe if I replay it I can figure it out.

[ALX]

Yeah Hyphz I got pretty much the same trial as you, except I believe that the demon failed to kill anyone and just got kill by the council when it get out of the box. .

And yeah one of the big reason I feel like I missed something is the yuri petals/behind the 4th gate and space helmet.


And yeah I do believe that the judge reactions was telling if my answer was good or not but it's still bothering me a bit if I dont have the absolute truth ahah.

[Waffles]

Carmelina took Dainonigate through the portal that led to the lobby of the council room where Yuri took him through the rest of the seals, which is why you see petals everywhere. My impression was that the demon didn't kill anyone, Yuri mentioned something about there being something strange in the shadows, which is an odd way to describe the corpse of an 8 foot tall dragon, but I don't really know what else that could have meant.

I accused Yuri of breaching the seals and got him convicted based on the petals, his slip up in questioning about the seals and his previous conviction (I think Carmelina was mad at him at that point too and added evidence). Was Sam added to your trial on the seals because also committed the crime but for unrelated reasons, or was the judge saying Sam and Yuri were working together?

[hyphz]

No, it's because Lydia and Sam originally delivered the crate with the demon, although they didn't know that was what was in it. They admit as much if called at the trial, but it's understandable you might want to gloss over this since they still get executed otherwise. I don't know at all why Yuri would have been involved with the seals given that only Dainonigate himself could get through the third and fourth.

[Devilfish]

I figured Dainonigate has been locked in a room for all his life, he wouldn't know what to dom when to do it or where to go if left to his own devices. He does not seem well-adjusted. Someone needed to make sure he got to where he needed to go to do his job at the exact right time.

[Kirby25]

Seems like there's no "true ending", but rather, the world is as it presents itself to you, and during the trial that you connect evidence to explain your interpretation. I've only done one ending with a straight examination of the facts, didn't bother trying to twist the truth to save Lydia and Sam, but it's kind of disappointing they wouldn't acknowledge it if I did.

My conclusion was that the council was never supposed to be completely wiped out, but two independent conspiracies came together at the worst time, resulting the entire council being killed. As far as who really deserves execution, I think Yuri, Carmelina, and Witness fit, with Akiko, Lydia, and Sam deserving exile for aiding the conspiracies. Alas, I don't write the laws. Why was LLD exiled for nearly ending the syndicate in the past, but Lydia drops off a package and judge forces me to do a fatality super move on her. Messed up.

[Devilfish]

Carmelina sure meant to kill them all. Dainonigate said as much. Plus, if anyone survived, there'd be this dead kid nobody knew and that'd be hard to explain. She definitely needed all of them dead.

And whether or not anyone "deserves" execution is... oof. But sincerely ♥♥♥♥ them all, this game should end with a bullet in each and every one of them, including Judge and LLD. They're, like, absolutely the bad guys. Even the cool ones I like. Absolutely.

[Kirby25]

who let henry post in here

[Devilfish]

Henry did nothing wrong

[Waffles]

That's definitely my one main complaint about the game, they toy with LLD confronting the fact that everyone in the syndicate is literally worse than Hitler, but don't deal with it in any meaningful way. I was kind of expecting to come to the boards and find out that there's a Dark Souls-y secret path to just nuking island 25 and going back to the real world with Lydia and Sam.

[Kirby25]

LD is immortal, I don't think she'd care anymore than the rest of them. I view the sympathetic choices you can make towards civilians as a sort of buttering up option in her dialogue options, she's still a being that's existed for centuries that likely isn't about to get too attached to the ant-farm she happens to live in.

Now cosmic lizardmen, that's the good stuff.

[CrystalEvo]

Yeah I felt like the epilogue felt a bit rushed, the game has some incredible worldbuilding and set-up to the ensuing clash at the trial, but then afterwards LD just feels rather flippant towards everything and doesn't really react much even to some potentially devastating or world changing reveals resulting from her conclusions. Felt kinda like they were trying to rift on how The Silver Case left a lot of loose ends to lead into The 25th Ward, but TSC also had a pretty solid ending with some major closure despite the open ending, while PK just feels kinda rushed to make room for a potential Part 2 on Perfect 25.