4th floor 401 question *spoiler*

[hikinikuy]

1. Brenda was dining in the living room with a baby monitor.
2. The planter had fallen on the floor before the safe was opened.

From these two points, I thought that Brenda took the gun out of the safe after Clyde moved to the office room. In this case, the relative positions of the two in the office room would be Clyde at the back of the room and Brenda near the entrance.

but this answer is wrong. where I might be going wrong?

[Tankfriend]

1. Did Brenda reach the phone in the office?
2.Note the dirty footsteps Clyde has left behind. Did he go as far as you assume?
3. Note the number, caliber and positioning of the shell casings inside the office. Compare with the ammunition found in the safe.
4. Compare the gun found in the office with the owner's manual found inside the safe.
5. Compare the angle the bullets were fired at, and how many wounds the dead person received.

Solution:
Brenda took the gun from the safe, and then moved to the office to call 911.
Clyde followed her, entered the room and fired his gun at Brenda, but missed. The bullet is stuck in the side of the cupboard, and his shell casing (9mm Wilder) is lying on the floor next to him.
After the miss, Brenda fired her gun, and hit Clyde in the hip (9mm Luger casing on the desk, bloody bullet stuck in the wall).
After Clyde collapsed, Brenda moved in and fired again, this time hitting Clyde in the head (9mm Luger casing on the floor next to the body).

[uDragùn]

I'm sorry to say this, but if you follow the clues, the solution doesn't make any sense.
This because you try to answer the questions and re-create the scene in your mind.
First of all, a normal human being wouldn't get so close to the window when someone is breaking in from that place (there was a knife in the kitchen...). Admitting that Brenda isn't normal, a person with a speck of common sense would get the baby and run out using the main door, which was not that far, or ask for help to the neighbours. She couldn't know that he had a gun with him (he broke in with a metallic device). If the main door doesn't come to your mind, or if you SUPPOSE he has a gun or a weapon (he is a violent man, so it is quite likely) you lock yourself in the studio, maybe using the chair or something else. You buy yourself time. There is no sign of this anywhere. She performed a series of potentially suicidal moves and everything happened way too quickly (she couldn't possibily have run to the bedroom, opened the safe, taken the gun having him by her side who was opening the window in the mean time) - she's probably the female version of Flash, who knows?
However, the clues given are insufficient to establish the right order of actions, which do not follow a linear (human?) thinking path. The bullet in the cabinet is silver, while the one on the wall is, or at least looks like from the reflection, golden (which would match the casings on the floor). Moreover, the fact that many objects are scattered around the studio could indicate that Clyde was looking for someone or something in that room or that they fought a bit.
Finally, even if you guess the right series of events, the solution required considers the INTRUDER as one of the people that were present during the break in, even if the first question asks you who the intruder is. You would naturally exclude the intruder because you automatically associate the idea "who was there during the break in BESIDES the person who was breaking in?". What's more, technically speaking, Clyde was not inside yet, so he wasn't "present" DURING the break in - he WAS the break in.

[HunterN]

I don't think the gun was in the safe, I get the vibe she had already moved it to the office beforehand. She would have heard him breaking in on the baby monitor and I suspect he was the one ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with the safe, because the gun wasn't in there that may be why he shot first. She was in living room when he opened the window with the wire, and surely heard him over baby monitor. There's a box with some scattered items near her desk, I imagine she had moved the gun in there.

[HunterN]

I do agree that they should have included both with the intruder and without the intruder as valid options for the "who was present" question

[hikinikuy]

I overlooked the possibility that they recognized each other before Clyde opened the window. and I didn't know about color combinations of bullet and casing.Thanks for helping. However, I wonder if she took the gun from the safe before he opened the window, it seems that she would have had a perfect opportunity to point the gun at him through the window.

[Tankfriend]

Originally posted by uDragùn:

I'm sorry to say this, but if you follow the clues, the solution doesn't make any sense.
This because you try to answer the questions and re-create the scene in your mind.
First of all, a normal human being

I think you might be giving humans too much credit. They already don't act rationally all the time when not under threat or stress, and they certainly act even less so when they actually are under threat or stress.
What might seem like the obvious solution to an outsider might not even turn up in the mind of a person in the middle of the situation.

[hikinikuy]

I'm convinced with the deduction from the evidence.
However, I'm not entirely satisfied.
If the homeowner was killed by an intruder, it would be a whodunit story, but if it's an ex-husband found dead in a single mother's house, that seems like a very straightforward case.

[Tankfriend]

Originally posted by gobnilin:

I'm convinced with the deduction from the evidence.
However, I'm not entirely satisfied.
If the homeowner was killed by an intruder, it would be a whodunit story, but if it's an ex-husband found dead in a single mother's house, that seems like a very straightforward case.

The major point in this case is that Brenda moved in for the killing head shot after Clyde had already been hit in the hip, dropped to the ground, and disarmed, with the police already on the way. This shifts the case from justified self-defense to manslaughter if not murder.

[uDragùn]

Originally posted by HunterN:

I don't think the gun was in the safe, I get the vibe she had already moved it to the office beforehand. She would have heard him breaking in on the baby monitor and I suspect he was the one ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with the safe, because the gun wasn't in there that may be why he shot first. She was in living room when he opened the window with the wire, and surely heard him over baby monitor. There's a box with some scattered items near her desk, I imagine she had moved the gun in there.

Everything is possible, but where are the clues?
In my opinion, we should not be forced to trust just our gut in a game that is supposed to make you use logic.
I also tought that the gun could have been in the studio, but also that it could have been in the safe. Moreover, if Brenda had the gun with her in the studio, she would have known where it was and throwing objects around wouldn't be necessary; for this I was led to think that they might have had a fight.
I don't think that Clyde opened the safe because of the footprints which are clearly visible under the window and are never headed to the safe. I also thought that there might have been two guns, but that made even less sense. I think that in this case there were too many plausibles scenarios and no clues (or not enough clear information) to rule some of them out.
However, it has been a long time since I asked myself so many questions when playing a game, made such an effort and have such an interesting exchange of ideas .. for this I must say chapeau to the developers! ;)

[Tankfriend]

Originally posted by uDragùn:

I also thought that there might have been two guns, but that made even less sense.

But... we actually have *evidence* that there are. O.o
The safe contains 9mm Luger ammunition and a gun owner's manual that obviously doesn't belong to the gun lying on the floor of the office. Meanwhile, we also have both 9mm Luger and 9mm Wilder cartridge cases in the office. So we have two different 9mm calibers, a gun on the floor of the office, and a different gun from the safe that is missing.

[uDragùn]

Originally posted by Tankfriend:

Originally posted by uDragùn:

I also thought that there might have been two guns, but that made even less sense.

But... we actually have *evidence* that there are. O.o
The safe contains 9mm Luger ammunition and a gun owner's manual that obviously doesn't belong to the gun lying on the floor of the office. Meanwhile, we also have both 9mm Luger and 9mm Wilder cartridge cases in the office. So we have two different 9mm calibers, a gun on the floor of the office, and a different gun from the safe that is missing.

I apologize, I didn't write it clearly - I meant that I considered that both Brenda could have had two guns. I knew that the one on the floor belonged to Clyde and had to be brought from the outside, as it used different bullets than the ones we see in the safe.

[AlbundyBZH29]

this case is really not clear. and badly crafetd. there is no way to establish clearly what happened.
We know who broke in, we know that she was watching tv when he broke in as the baby monitor is near the tv, But after that it is just impossible to deduce the events and especially, the game designer doesnt give s ♥♥♥♥ and that pisses me off because you can answer all the questions without trying to understand in details how the intruder died. All the answers are obvious , so there shoud have been less obvious questions in order to make you want to understand the crime scene in details

[AlbundyBZH29]

i took me 10 minutes to answer the questions, but i dont have any certainty about how the intruder was killed

[AlbundyBZH29]

i d'ont undrestand the point of detailing so much a crime scene if the correct answers are the obvious ones that you can guess by rushing the crime scene.

[AlbundyBZH29]

a friend of mine rushed this scenario in 5 minutes without even noticing that there were two guns and without noticing the bullet in the cupboard.... He just had the obvious guesses