Missing Clues

[Andi]

My first run through I got 3 out of 5 correct. But I never saw anything that would indicate that Jenny was the killer. Also, there was a clue that Ed sat in seat two but that was wrong.

Where were the clues?

[Locus]

See #2's table carefully. there is ring mark at right of #2. That's where wineglass was located. After that you can notice that location of knife of #1 is different with others. That's answer for your second question.

[Locus]

For the first question... its quite hard but,

Receipts, calendars, itineraries, and a list of New York restaurants (in the table drawer with the phone next to the entrance) reveals Jenny's relationship with Henry. If you look at the bag on the hanger next to the door, you will see matches with the same mark as the receipt. 1. Clara cannot get this matches(as the calendar shows) 2. It is on the hanger next to the door and is assumed to be a visitor's bag. The bag is automatically decided as Jenny's item. Jenny is not the one who used the victim's wine glasses with the marks left because she uses lipstick that leaves no marks. Therefore, the remaining woman, Clara, automatically becomes the victim. #2 and #4 are left (#5 is Jake, you can see by looking at the juice and gift box messages) Jenny and Henry take these places.

It is not clear from here. I guessing...
Henry's abortion clinic business card, Jenny's nicotine patch in her bag, and only once used matches can explain Jenny's pregnancy. If so, of course (the remaining people don't know her pregnancy, so she gets the wine she won't drink) #2 becomes Jenny. Henry appears to want an abortion, but given that she has been pregnant so far, it can be assumed that Jenny does not. So Jenny is given a very strong motive for murder.

Ed didn't even attend, and Jack was removed from the suspect due to lack of motivation. In Henry's case, a feud with Clara can be expected. The letter in the drawer by the sofa shows that Clara was almost persuaded by her mother to end her relationship with Henry. So, in the case of Henry, there is no motive for killing Clara to end the relationship.

From the above evidence (though not obvious), Jenny is most likely the killer.

p.s. Benzaclin is used to treat acne. It's quite over-guessing but, maybe Clara could get this medicine to treat pregnancy acne.

[Ceci n'est pas un nom]

引用自 Andi：

I never saw anything that would indicate that Jenny was the killer.
Where were the clues?

The bottle in the trashcan has a different date on it than the doctor's appointment on the calendar and in the 'notebook' , which made me think it was Jenny's bottle.

[Nucreum]

Clara as been poisoned with the Benzaclin found in the trashcan. It says an overdose can commit vomiting and internal bleeding, you can see on the floor it's the cause of death (she's vomiting blood).

The 2 weird things are :
- Why Jenny's chair is on the floor?
- According to the Letter from Clara's Mom, Clara seems aware of the relationship between Henry and Jenny... then why Jenny is invited to Clara's Birthday?

[Locus]

Maybe more clues will be updated on full version of game. We cannot enter 3 doors at demo and I hope there will be clues to answer that weird things. With demo version, we cannot clearly explain all things. For example, how Jenny poison only Clara's wineglass without others suspicion. 7000mg is not small amount of powder. These kind of things are what really hard to explain with only scene investigating after the victim murdered.

[HYMON ROTH]

引用自 vusguswkd：

For the first question... its quite hard but,

Receipts, calendars, itineraries, and a list of New York restaurants (in the table drawer with the phone next to the entrance) reveals Jenny's relationship with Henry. If you look at the bag on the hanger next to the door, you will see matches with the same mark as the receipt. 1. Clara cannot get this matches(as the calendar shows) 2. It is on the hanger next to the door and is assumed to be a visitor's bag. The bag is automatically decided as Jenny's item. Jenny is not the one who used the victim's wine glasses with the marks left because she uses lipstick that leaves no marks. Therefore, the remaining woman, Clara, automatically becomes the victim. #2 and #4 are left (#5 is Jake, you can see by looking at the juice and gift box messages) Jenny and Henry take these places.

It is not clear from here. I guessing...
Henry's abortion clinic business card, Jenny's nicotine patch in her bag, and only once used matches can explain Jenny's pregnancy. If so, of course (the remaining people don't know her pregnancy, so she gets the wine she won't drink) #2 becomes Jenny. Henry appears to want an abortion, but given that she has been pregnant so far, it can be assumed that Jenny does not. So Jenny is given a very strong motive for murder.

Ed didn't even attend, and Jack was removed from the suspect due to lack of motivation. In Henry's case, a feud with Clara can be expected. The letter in the drawer by the sofa shows that Clara was almost persuaded by her mother to end her relationship with Henry. So, in the case of Henry, there is no motive for killing Clara to end the relationship.

From the above evidence (though not obvious), Jenny is most likely the killer.

p.s. Benzaclin is used to treat acne. It's quite over-guessing but, maybe Clara could get this medicine to treat pregnancy acne.

I have a question, why juice and gift box can confirm the jake is her cousin, i mean, why the jenny is her cousin and jake just a girl... that is still no problem

[HYMON ROTH]

引用自 vusguswkd：

For the first question... its quite hard but,

Receipts, calendars, itineraries, and a list of New York restaurants (in the table drawer with the phone next to the entrance) reveals Jenny's relationship with Henry. If you look at the bag on the hanger next to the door, you will see matches with the same mark as the receipt. 1. Clara cannot get this matches(as the calendar shows) 2. It is on the hanger next to the door and is assumed to be a visitor's bag. The bag is automatically decided as Jenny's item. Jenny is not the one who used the victim's wine glasses with the marks left because she uses lipstick that leaves no marks. Therefore, the remaining woman, Clara, automatically becomes the victim. #2 and #4 are left (#5 is Jake, you can see by looking at the juice and gift box messages) Jenny and Henry take these places.

It is not clear from here. I guessing...
Henry's abortion clinic business card, Jenny's nicotine patch in her bag, and only once used matches can explain Jenny's pregnancy. If so, of course (the remaining people don't know her pregnancy, so she gets the wine she won't drink) #2 becomes Jenny. Henry appears to want an abortion, but given that she has been pregnant so far, it can be assumed that Jenny does not. So Jenny is given a very strong motive for murder.

Ed didn't even attend, and Jack was removed from the suspect due to lack of motivation. In Henry's case, a feud with Clara can be expected. The letter in the drawer by the sofa shows that Clara was almost persuaded by her mother to end her relationship with Henry. So, in the case of Henry, there is no motive for killing Clara to end the relationship.

From the above evidence (though not obvious), Jenny is most likely the killer.

p.s. Benzaclin is used to treat acne. It's quite over-guessing but, maybe Clara could get this medicine to treat pregnancy acne.

Another problem , it is a crime scene... but all the theory you said are based most on inference , it like a holmes style game ... not the csi game....

I only judge the clara because i judge the body the way laying down and only the main seat can lay down the motion like the scene ,i find the guests so it would be just henry and clara, then the lipstick on the glass i ensure the clara....

If you don't make the inference by their name, you don;t know their sex (jenny and jake.) I don't think it is eaay to judge the cousin and jenny. In my opinion, the cousin maybe a girl too....

For the bag.. I don't think the bag could only be the guest's bag , the owner also can put the bag on that position. So the pregnant maybe not so stable....I judge the bag belong to clara and i think the murder way is mixing the wine and medicine killed her... and i can't get any conclusion because all the clues have more than one explanation ...
I don't know if the devs could complete the scenes in the full version ,for current progress, that just a guessing not investigating game.....

[Locus]

引用自 HYMON ROTH：

引用自 vusguswkd：

For the first question... its quite hard but,

Receipts, calendars, itineraries, and a list of New York restaurants (in the table drawer with the phone next to the entrance) reveals Jenny's relationship with Henry. If you look at the bag on the hanger next to the door, you will see matches with the same mark as the receipt. 1. Clara cannot get this matches(as the calendar shows) 2. It is on the hanger next to the door and is assumed to be a visitor's bag. The bag is automatically decided as Jenny's item. Jenny is not the one who used the victim's wine glasses with the marks left because she uses lipstick that leaves no marks. Therefore, the remaining woman, Clara, automatically becomes the victim. #2 and #4 are left (#5 is Jake, you can see by looking at the juice and gift box messages) Jenny and Henry take these places.

It is not clear from here. I guessing...
Henry's abortion clinic business card, Jenny's nicotine patch in her bag, and only once used matches can explain Jenny's pregnancy. If so, of course (the remaining people don't know her pregnancy, so she gets the wine she won't drink) #2 becomes Jenny. Henry appears to want an abortion, but given that she has been pregnant so far, it can be assumed that Jenny does not. So Jenny is given a very strong motive for murder.

Ed didn't even attend, and Jack was removed from the suspect due to lack of motivation. In Henry's case, a feud with Clara can be expected. The letter in the drawer by the sofa shows that Clara was almost persuaded by her mother to end her relationship with Henry. So, in the case of Henry, there is no motive for killing Clara to end the relationship.

From the above evidence (though not obvious), Jenny is most likely the killer.

p.s. Benzaclin is used to treat acne. It's quite over-guessing but, maybe Clara could get this medicine to treat pregnancy acne.

I have a question, why juice and gift box can confirm the Jake is her cousin, i mean, why the jenny is her cousin and Jake just a girl... that is still no problem

It's been a long time since I played, but if my memory is correct, Jake was a member of Alcoholics Anonymous. Therefore Jake cannot drink wine but juice.

Also, if you cannot sure the bag's owner is Jenny, then how the Clara can get the matches inside of the bag? Remember that the receipt on the floor has the dates when Clara is on Traveling. Therefore the bag is must belong to Henry, Jenny or Jake.
If Henry the owner of the bag, then Henry has the lipstick so Clara is the man, not woman? They could be but have less possibility.
Then it is belongs to Jake? Then Jake must have affair relationship with Henry because of the logo of matchbox, restaurant list, and the phone-number on the Henry's note, but then how we can explain the gift-box and hand-wrote letter. Jake has no reason to have good impression on Clara because she is rival if the Jake has affair with Henry. Jake can give gift box, but hand-wrote letter is unusual.

Because of these reasons, most make-sense-answer is that bag's owner is Jenny, not Henry, not Jake.

Yes there are so many inferences.
I agree with your opinion that this game is like holmes style game, not the csi game.
But the game is still in development and there are many doors we cannot enter in demo. So it might be too early to be preconceived. Also, many real crime scene has vague, not clear evidences so there are unsolved cases. That's also why the court accept circumstantial evidences. In these aspects, this game still interesting for me although people likes and dislikes.

I hope this writing answer your questions as much as possible.

[Jekyllson]

Yes, vusguswkd is right. The main clue that the purse was not Clara’s was the matchbox from the fancy restaurant that Henry went to while Clara was in LA. The fact that it was on the coatrack was more of a “soft” clue that it belonged to a guest, since homeowners don’t usually leave their purses out in the open like that.

Unlike most detective/mystery games, there are no damning pieces of evidence that clearly prove what must have happened, and there are no hints, either. Instead, you have to think hard about what the different elements of the crime scene may signify and deduce the most likely answers based on the evidence.

I personally think that the evidence in the demo is stronger against Henry than Jenny as the murderer, but other than that, I think that all the clues to correctly make the necessary deductions are present.

[Titty Balboa]

引用自 Nucreum：

Clara as been poisoned with the Benzaclin found in the trashcan. It says an overdose can commit vomiting and internal bleeding, you can see on the floor it's the cause of death (she's vomiting blood).

The 2 weird things are :
- Why Jenny's chair is on the floor?
- According to the Letter from Clara's Mom, Clara seems aware of the relationship between Henry and Jenny... then why Jenny is invited to Clara's Birthday?

The reason why Jenny's chair was on the floor was A.) she was making a much larger scene than the others to prove her innocence. B.) She was far enough along into her pregnancy to hinder her movement. C.) she was celebrating her success, thereby outing herself as the culprit to her friends in a rather stupid move. D.) she was shocked with how violent the reaction was.

A or D seem more likely, since if she was far enough along, she wouldn't have hidden her pregnancy, and you can't celebrate your kill in front of others. D is only slightly less so because the warning is there on the label. Therefore, she was making a bigger show than the other guests because she has never lied about being shocked about someone's death, much less one she's caused.

[consumed343]

I found the motive pretty easy to pickup right away, as well the timeline, but where I had the difficulty was placing people in chairs. The cousin was obvious, but Ed seemed obvious at first but I kept getting it wrong. I like how the game makes you really think and triple check items.

[Pryce The Destroyer]

My evidence is more correct than the games:



1. Seat 5 must be Jake's, and thus Jake must be her cousin because her cousin can't drink Alcohol and Jake was in AA.

2. Seat 2 must be Edwin, because Edwin was the only left handed person there and that seat is the only seat with the wine on the left side.

3. The purse obviously belonged to Jenny: Henry made a reservation with the restaurant as indicated in the notebook; Jenny went to the restaurant recently as indicated by the nearly new set of matches in her purse. -- The date of the reservation coincides with Clara being out of town.

4. The person seated in position 3 had to be Clara because Jenny's purse had no smudge lipstick.

The scene is set: We can see that the person in the seat 3 is most likely the one that died because the feet are so close. Seat 2 is tipped over because the person (Edwin) stood up in shock. There is seat number 4 (most likely Jenny) that has dropped their right handed fork somehow on the left side of themselves on the floor (makes no sense). Jake is a non-issue and Edwin most likely didn't kill anybody bc we have no information on him wanting to do such a thing. That only leaves 2 scenarios.

A: Clara found out about Jenny and Henry and attacked Jenny .
B: Clara found out about Jenny and Henry and attacked Henry.

Looking at the lay out it could be the case that she spoke with Henry while he was setting up and she attacked him and he is in fact the dead one. Or She (Clara) got in a fight with Jenny, who must be in seat 4 (possibly explaining the fork displacement) and was struck by a blow (from Jenny) that caused her to collapse and hit her head and die. Or more specifically, while arguing with Henry she was struck in the back of the head by Jenny and fell face first onto the ground.

There is literally no other explanation and I will not accept another one because it is incorrect.

Extra: The pills are of no consequence, they are acne pills and we have no way to determine who has acne or how much wine has been consumed. You must consume multiple glasses daily, according to the bottle. We cannot know how much wine was consumed in a party of 5 people or that she was OD on the drugs or even how fast such a thing would occur. Additionally, if she was coughing up blood why would it not be sprayed all over the table? The entire table or at least her area should be riddled with blood. But instead we have a weird red soup looking stain that looks like food bits on everybody's plate except plate 1, which hasn't been used, indicating it is in fact food.

[Scary Barry]

引用自 Pryce Of Wales：

There is literally no other explanation and I will not accept another one because it is incorrect.

If you're not accepting any information and deduction accept your own, thenwhy type all of this on a discussion board, without wanting a discussion?

2. Seat 2 must be Edwin, because Edwin was the only left handed person there and that seat is the only seat with the wine on the left side.

Yet Seat 2 hasn't drunk from the wine, so why would it be logical to deduce that Seat 2 is the only one that touched the glass? The host could've just as easily placed it there when putting down the wine,

You're also missing that the fork is on the left side and the knife on the right side. Meanwhile at Seat 1,..

There is seat number 4 (most likely Jenny) that has dropped their right handed fork somehow on the left side of themselves on the floor (makes no sense).

Forks go on the left side of the plate...

That only leaves 2 scenarios

No, it leaves a gazillion scenarios. A love triangle already has 9 possible motivations for murder, and without knowing the relationship of Jake and Edwin towards the love triangle we can get 25 different motives and outcomes based on your deduction.

The pills are of no consequence, they are acne pills

The pills are lethal in a high enough dose, so they are definitely relevant.

we have no way to determine who has acne

Why is the "who has acne" relevant to deduce the killer? And why would the killer leave a poison bottle with their name sticker on it, on the crime scene?

how much wine has been consumed.

The person who died is only one of two people who have a touched glass...

You must consume multiple glasses daily, according to the bottle.

The bottle says a whole lot more about possible severe liver damage than just that.

if she was coughing up blood why would it not be sprayed all over the table?

Why would she cough up large volumes of blood and spray the entire table from liver damage?

The entire table or at least her area should be riddled with blood.

Why?



You reason a lot of stuff based on assumptions and half-looking at the evidence. If you had followed the evidence and didn't try to fill in the blanks, you would've come closer to the solutions.

[MidoriyaShonen]

引用自 HYMON ROTH：

引用自 vusguswkd：

For the first question... its quite hard but,

Receipts, calendars, itineraries, and a list of New York restaurants (in the table drawer with the phone next to the entrance) reveals Jenny's relationship with Henry. If you look at the bag on the hanger next to the door, you will see matches with the same mark as the receipt. 1. Clara cannot get this matches(as the calendar shows) 2. It is on the hanger next to the door and is assumed to be a visitor's bag. The bag is automatically decided as Jenny's item. Jenny is not the one who used the victim's wine glasses with the marks left because she uses lipstick that leaves no marks. Therefore, the remaining woman, Clara, automatically becomes the victim. #2 and #4 are left (#5 is Jake, you can see by looking at the juice and gift box messages) Jenny and Henry take these places.

It is not clear from here. I guessing...
Henry's abortion clinic business card, Jenny's nicotine patch in her bag, and only once used matches can explain Jenny's pregnancy. If so, of course (the remaining people don't know her pregnancy, so she gets the wine she won't drink) #2 becomes Jenny. Henry appears to want an abortion, but given that she has been pregnant so far, it can be assumed that Jenny does not. So Jenny is given a very strong motive for murder.

Ed didn't even attend, and Jack was removed from the suspect due to lack of motivation. In Henry's case, a feud with Clara can be expected. The letter in the drawer by the sofa shows that Clara was almost persuaded by her mother to end her relationship with Henry. So, in the case of Henry, there is no motive for killing Clara to end the relationship.

From the above evidence (though not obvious), Jenny is most likely the killer.

p.s. Benzaclin is used to treat acne. It's quite over-guessing but, maybe Clara could get this medicine to treat pregnancy acne.

I have a question, why juice and gift box can confirm the jake is her cousin, i mean, why the jenny is her cousin and jake just a girl... that is still no problem

Jake is clearly Clara's cousin, because of the following:

-on the fridge note, Clara makes a note of her cousin as being specifically a "him". This excludes Jenny right off the bat, because Jenny is not a boy's name. She then mentions Ed separately, excluding him being the cousin.
-in the birthday card, Jake tells Clara how fortunate she is to have Henry. This suggests that Henry is Clara's husband. By process of elimination, Jake must be Clara's cousin.

[shona louise]

I found all the clues and still came to the same conclusion as you. I don't think there was enough motive for the killer. But the seat does make sense now that I've read all the above!