About the Initial Warning

[Cleril]

Would "Violence" not be sufficient enough? Why specify the warning to those least likely to experience violence? Playdead's games feature children as player characters and inflict all sorts of violence upon them with no warning. The reason I make this thread is to just point out that by specifying only 2/3 humans for which the violence may be an issue as perceived by you that you may make the remaining 1/3 humans who experience the most violence feel invalidated.

At least, that's what you've done to me. But I guess some animals are more equal than others.

[Herr Wagner]

It's an interesting point. We debated that warning quite extensively. But it really wasn't about us or about what we, the dev team, perceive to be important. We gathered a lot of feedback from lots of different people with lots of different backgrounds. In the end, we felt we couldn't warn about everything, but we could warn against specific types of feelings that could trigger people in pretty bad ways.

I understand your point, but I don't see the harm in the warnings we have; I don't think it excludes everyone else. If we just warned about violence, we felt it would have been too unspecific. Sorry to hear it didn't work for you.

[belangf]

I agree that a warning about ''violence'' would be meaningless in a video game. There are age rating systems for general violence and gore. The disclaimer is more to say that the game makes points about violence to vulnerable groups. I'm not sure that the warning is really warranted however. It just feels like the game wants to make sure you don`t miss their point, but that's just my view.

[justin579]

Originally posted by Herr Wagner:

It's an interesting point. We debated that warning quite extensively. But it really wasn't about us or about what we, the dev team, perceive to be important. We gathered a lot of feedback from lots of different people with lots of different backgrounds. In the end, we felt we couldn't warn about everything, but we could warn against specific types of feelings that could trigger people in pretty bad ways.

I understand your point, but I don't see the harm in the warnings we have; I don't think it excludes everyone else. If we just warned about violence, we felt it would have been too unspecific. Sorry to hear it didn't work for you.

I will bet $50 the feedback you are talking about was all people on twitter with pronouns in bio and rainbow flags.

AKA no one that actually plays the game.

Thank god i saw the warning from someone on twitter so i knew not to buy it.

[Cleril]

Originally posted by belangf:

I agree that a warning about ''violence'' would be meaningless in a video game. There are age rating systems for general violence and gore. The disclaimer is more to say that the game makes points about violence to vulnerable groups. I'm not sure that the warning is really warranted however. It just feels like the game wants to make sure you don`t miss their point, but that's just my view.

1. Men are literally the most vulnerable to violence.

2. The main idea of the game is some animals are more equal than others. This warning specific to only women and children invalidates the entire message of the game. The devs are contradicting themselves.

Originally posted by justin579:

I will bet $50 the feedback you are talking about was all people on twitter with pronouns in bio and rainbow flags.

AKA no one that actually plays the game.

Thank god i saw the warning from someone on twitter so i knew not to buy it.

The dev's response is basically "You're right but we don't care." I'm even more happy I refunded it (which I did before the dev response and left a review having nothing to do with this). In an effort to supposedly protect certain groups they completely ♥♥♥♥ on the group I'm a part of. And it could of been avoided with either not having the warning or just applying it universally.

Their competition, Playdead, inflicts far worse violence on children in their games with no warning and greater impact. In my review I basically said Playdead is still king of 2.5D puzzle platformers. Playdead's maturity is one of their hallmarks.

[Sleeper Service]

@Cleril get over yourself. You asked a question, the devs answered. In the current leftist, wokeist times we are going through nobody can have any fun without upsetting some poor little snowflake.

The devs try to fit in with today's requirement and you take them to task over it. You're missing out on a great addition to the genre. Your choice.

[Chaos Marine]

Originally posted by Herr Wagner:

It's an interesting point. We debated that warning quite extensively. But it really wasn't about us or about what we, the dev team, perceive to be important. We gathered a lot of feedback from lots of different people with lots of different backgrounds. In the end, we felt we couldn't warn about everything, but we could warn against specific types of feelings that could trigger people in pretty bad ways.

I understand your point, but I don't see the harm in the warnings we have; I don't think it excludes everyone else. If we just warned about violence, we felt it would have been too unspecific. Sorry to hear it didn't work for you.

Warnings like these diminish people and gaming. Can you imagine people being so weak that they can't separate reality from gaming? Can you imagine proving those Christian evangelicals correct? Games don't cause violence except when it's your side of the political spectrum says it does. Bullfeces.

[Cleril]

Originally posted by Sleeper Service:

@Cleril get over yourself. You asked a question, the devs answered. In the current leftist, wokeist times we are going through nobody can have any fun without upsetting some poor little snowflake.

The devs try to fit in with today's requirement and you take them to task over it. You're missing out on a great addition to the genre. Your choice.

I bought and played and refunded the game because it's not a good game. I have yet to play something that can stand toe to toe with Playdead.

Don't pretend to know me I don't come from a place of ego.

[Sleeper Service]

Originally posted by Cleril:

Don't pretend to know me I don't come from a place of ego.

I'm not pretending to know you, I know your type. Sadly, the world is going to hell in a handcart because of your type. Gladly, and very selfishly, I won't be around for too long to see the damage your ilk are doing. Anon.

[Valec]

Oh god, Men's Rights Activists are the absolute bottom of the barrel. You guys should be embarrassed.

[Valec]

Originally posted by Chaos Marine:

Originally posted by Herr Wagner:

It's an interesting point. We debated that warning quite extensively. But it really wasn't about us or about what we, the dev team, perceive to be important. We gathered a lot of feedback from lots of different people with lots of different backgrounds. In the end, we felt we couldn't warn about everything, but we could warn against specific types of feelings that could trigger people in pretty bad ways.

I understand your point, but I don't see the harm in the warnings we have; I don't think it excludes everyone else. If we just warned about violence, we felt it would have been too unspecific. Sorry to hear it didn't work for you.

Warnings like these diminish people and gaming. Can you imagine people being so weak that they can't separate reality from gaming? Can you imagine proving those Christian evangelicals correct? Games don't cause violence except when it's your side of the political spectrum says it does. Bullfeces.

Grow up, crybaby.

[Chaos Marine]

Originally posted by Valec:

Originally posted by Chaos Marine:

Warnings like these diminish people and gaming. Can you imagine people being so weak that they can't separate reality from gaming? Can you imagine proving those Christian evangelicals correct? Games don't cause violence except when it's your side of the political spectrum says it does. Bullfeces.

Grow up, crybaby.

Wait, I'm saying people are being over coddled and that the dev is using old Christian arguments as to why gaming can make people do things they wouldn't normally do and you call me a crybaby? Oh wait, nevermind, you're probably an SJW and they always project their insecurities at others. Grow up, soyjack.

[justin579]

Originally posted by Valec:

Oh god, Men's Rights Activists are the absolute bottom of the barrel. You guys should be embarrassed.

Inserts link that lists men have higher suicide rate, more prone to violent attacks and lower lifespans etc etc.

[Delta_Stream710]

As someone who played the game, the Violence against Women and Children warning is completely fair, as the game doesn't show violence against men... (moderate to major Spoilers for the game plot) It shows a breeding camp where female ravens are forced to lay eggs just so the children can be ground up into batteries to make animals "glow" and "become light" [spoilers] men aren't really part of the games lore.... Women and Children though? absolutely part of the lore. As for the potential argument of "how are the women laying fertilised eggs that hatch chicks" point. They don't show it. hence why there's no warning for it.
Yes male abuse happens, but this game doesn't show any. The warnings not meant to "invalidate your experiences." nor is the games message to shed light on what happens to men, women, or children. It's a game... not a therapist/activist. its a dystopian world where all animals are equal, except birds. As the game doesn't delve into male abuse, there is no trigger warning for it. The game DOES delve into abuse of women and children, (Not even real ones either...) hence why it has a trigger warning for it.

As for the Playdead argument, yeah. they don't warn against the violence. Why? cause they don't have to... This game chose to, hence why it does. Side note, imo, this games violence is a bit worse than Playdeads games... Whether a game dev/company chooses to warn about potential triggers is completely up to them, and what they think the game consists of. And what they warned so far, is completely fine.

If you want to complain, you do you, you're valid in your opinions, just like I am. If you don't want to play the game, you don't have to. I'm just making this for people who think that "these game devs don't care about men because they only warn about women and children" is just untrue. They put a warning for whats in the game. If you're mad your collective isn't part of the warning, then it means the game doesn't have anything that might trigger your group specifically.



TLDR, The warnings are fine, play the game.
(Side note, damn I'm late to this discussion. Oh well. Im'a just leave this here anyway even if there is a solid chance no one will respond/read/or care.)