Cheating is out of freaking control and security are morons.

[gonavy-beatarmy]

The cheating in this game is past ludicrous at the moment. Barely 15 minutes of game time passes when there's another one...... and another one.... and another one. I just ran the game to see what the new patch looked like and every guest in the joint just saw Ocean's Eleven. Throw in stock theft every hour or two and this is out of control. Then they run right beside a security guard, as I have two patrolling the door, and security does nothing. Are we pre-radio technology here? 2 surveillance guards, 12 guards on the floor, 2 guys patrolling the only entrance/exit door and they're just hopelessly outclassed. I also have it set to 3 will run and chase.

[gameblogger]

Agree. In real life you would be getting a whole group of guards to catch the thief/cheater.

[LTNE Gaming]

Best method is build atleast 2 detective rooms, then rather than half the security dealing with 1 person, its 1 security per person aslong as their is a room available, no longer requiring 3+ security to have a fight. Means more security actual patrolling and catching.

Just remember security fight when there is no detective room available, so make sure you have them available.

[Borrego6165]

It should be much better in general after today's update!

[joyceh]

Originally posted by Ninja Lindam:

Best method is build atleast 2 detective rooms, then rather than half the security dealing with 1 person, its 1 security per person aslong as their is a room available, no longer requiring 3+ security to have a fight. Means more security actual patrolling and catching.

Just remember security fight when there is no detective room available, so make sure you have them available.

how do you build a detective room?

[chick10000]

build a 3X4 room or bigger, Place a regular door, Place an interrogation desk, place a one way mirror, Zone as Detective office zone, assign office to security room

[joyceh]

thank you

[gonavy-beatarmy]

Originally posted by Borrego6165:

It should be much better in general after today's update!

Not really. Played about 6 hours of casino time, had about ten cheaters. Also had two or three run past the face of the patrolling guard at the door and out to the bus stop. Neither bat an eye or flinched to react.

Also, building a detective room is great and all but the Ocean's Gang that has now taken over the casinos gets free run while we try to research it immediately. "Here, research this in 16 game hours but, in the meantime, you can't stop them, you can only hope to contain them."

[Borrego6165]

Cheaters are an expense that the casino needs to eat up basically. Not even all cheaters necessarily win, they can lose money in the process. Even before the detectives update it was possible to catch them, it just required additional guards because of the fact that they had to fight first.

Guards ignoring passing criminals definitely sounds like a bug - so that we'll look into. But overall, populations should be much lower than before and it seems like, as long as your casino is fairly big, ten cheaters probably a little on the high side and needs adjusting but isn't too far off. It also depends on what map you're on. Unless they're all also really big jackpot winners, they should be just seen as pests rather than huge problems. If their winnings seem extremely high we'll take a look for sure.

Thanks for your feedback - definitely a couple things for us to look at.

[Sky1High]

It's always important to give feed back too the developers about improvements that need to be made. Your argument about security guards being stupid and guest cheating at your casino is unbearable.. Casinos in Las Vegas have one of the most advanced security systems in the world to catch cheaters but still most people get away.. People learn fast and most of them are die-hard criminals who knows how to cheat without raising suspicion by dose stupid guards or security cameras. I have reason to believe that only 10 - 25% of all cheaters in vegas is detained. What happened to you ingame is happening in Las Vegas every minute. But don't forget it's still early access and improvements will be made. A funny question "Did you also go bankrupt ? :)

[gonavy-beatarmy]

Originally posted by HogyVagy ---->:

It's always important to give feed back too the developers about improvements that need to be made. Your argument about security guards being stupid and guest cheating at your casino is unbearable.. Casinos in Las Vegas have one of the most advanced security systems in the world to catch cheaters but still most people get away.. People learn fast and most of them are die-hard criminals who knows how to cheat without raising suspicion by dose stupid guards or security cameras. I have reason to believe that only 10 - 25% of all cheaters in vegas is detained. What happened to you ingame is happening in Las Vegas every minute. But don't forget it's still early access and improvements will be made. A funny question "Did you also go bankrupt ? :)

"Unbearable" doesn't fit there. Try again.

The game's security guards are unbelievably stupid. We've had radios on security guards at least as long as I was in the industry and that's '96. Surveillance would find them, give description and the doors would, more or less, close with a cordon of security waiting. Even more so because I only have one entry/exit with two guys on a loop patrolling it. Neither one of them moved to see why the chick was running towards them with three other security behind. "Hey, have a good night!" Whoosh....

We also have no countermeasures against cheating here. Is surveillance/camera booth now watching tables too instead of just slots? Normally, they would be calling the Pit or Shift Manager to start procedures on Cheat at Play once found. We don't have those. We don't have security being notified to be within earshot once the alleged cheater is approached. (All of which, from surveillance to Shift Manager I've done, by the way).

We also have tables that players walk freely around that do not restrict flow, either. I have never seen anyone steal cash money from a table from a drop box. Never. It's nearly impossible to do without being seen for five minutes before. Drop boxes are keyed into the table and require a key to take them out. Tables, from land casinos to shipboard, always have ropes to restrict players from being in the pit. Never seen it otherwise even in the Caribbean except in backwoods joints that have no action. If you steal chips from the game, they're not worth anything without cashing them out. You can take an entire stack of Monkeys off the table and they're worth $23 (cost of making them) instead of $10,000 until you get to the cage with them.

I understand that the game needs some difficulty and at least a modicum of theft in order to be a casino environment. I get it totally. Can we at least have it plausible, though, please? Most theft in a casino environment is player to player: theft of TITO tickets, purse snatching, bank cards left in machines, even the occasional beatdown, stuff like that.

[gonavy-beatarmy]

Originally posted by Borrego6165:

Cheaters are an expense that the casino needs to eat up basically. Not even all cheaters necessarily win, they can lose money in the process. Even before the detectives update it was possible to catch them, it just required additional guards because of the fact that they had to fight first.

Guards ignoring passing criminals definitely sounds like a bug - so that we'll look into. But overall, populations should be much lower than before and it seems like, as long as your casino is fairly big, ten cheaters probably a little on the high side and needs adjusting but isn't too far off. It also depends on what map you're on. Unless they're all also really big jackpot winners, they should be just seen as pests rather than huge problems. If their winnings seem extremely high we'll take a look for sure.

Thanks for your feedback - definitely a couple things for us to look at.

969c0081-0d99-4edc-bece-a2b447de35e8 is the save I just uploaded for you. I'm on Woody Lane, first property taken.

No, they're taking a few bucks here and there and that's an expense I'm willing to take. Most properties would, too, as a cost of doing business. Funny you should mention "jackpot winners", though. How come they never collect them? I have 98 grand sitting unclaimed and that's from 2 100k jackpots that got won about 20 days ago.

[chick10000]

Originally posted by gonavy-beatarmy:

Originally posted by Borrego6165:

Cheaters are an expense that the casino needs to eat up basically. Not even all cheaters necessarily win, they can lose money in the process. Even before the detectives update it was possible to catch them, it just required additional guards because of the fact that they had to fight first.

Guards ignoring passing criminals definitely sounds like a bug - so that we'll look into. But overall, populations should be much lower than before and it seems like, as long as your casino is fairly big, ten cheaters probably a little on the high side and needs adjusting but isn't too far off. It also depends on what map you're on. Unless they're all also really big jackpot winners, they should be just seen as pests rather than huge problems. If their winnings seem extremely high we'll take a look for sure.

Thanks for your feedback - definitely a couple things for us to look at.

969c0081-0d99-4edc-bece-a2b447de35e8 is the save I just uploaded for you. I'm on Woody Lane, first property taken.

No, they're taking a few bucks here and there and that's an expense I'm willing to take. Most properties would, too, as a cost of doing business. Funny you should mention "jackpot winners", though. How come they never collect them? I have 98 grand sitting unclaimed and that's from 2 100k jackpots that got won about 20 days ago.

Jackpot winners. The jackpot is not registered in the P&L. When a bet is made 10% of that bet is allocated to the jackpot and put in reserve to pay the jackpot. 90% of the bet goes into the vault as profit. When a guest wins the jackpot they get the allocated funds and you see no loss in the vault or the bank as those funds were never registered as profit or loss

[gonavy-beatarmy]

Originally posted by chick10000:

Originally posted by gonavy-beatarmy:

969c0081-0d99-4edc-bece-a2b447de35e8 is the save I just uploaded for you. I'm on Woody Lane, first property taken.

No, they're taking a few bucks here and there and that's an expense I'm willing to take. Most properties would, too, as a cost of doing business. Funny you should mention "jackpot winners", though. How come they never collect them? I have 98 grand sitting unclaimed and that's from 2 100k jackpots that got won about 20 days ago.

Jackpot winners. The jackpot is not registered in the P&L. When a bet is made 10% of that bet is allocated to the jackpot and put in reserve to pay the jackpot. 90% of the bet goes into the vault as profit. When a guest wins the jackpot they get the allocated funds and you see no loss in the vault or the bank as those funds were never registered as profit or loss

No, not linked jackpots, actual machine jackpots. I have $25 slots in a H/L area and they hit a jackpot for $100,000.

[chick10000]

ok sorry, I think that did come up before where the guest would cash in the receipt but the ATM would not have enough funds to cover the winnings. If the guest was returning they would use the receipt to play more. if not it was unclaimed. There should be somewhere to claim those big prizes for sure

[gonavy-beatarmy]

Originally posted by chick10000:

ok sorry, I think that did come up before where the guest would cash in the receipt but the ATM would not have enough funds to cover the winnings. If the guest was returning they would use the receipt to play more. if not it was unclaimed. There should be somewhere to claim those big prizes for sure

I always have at least 100k in the vault so I could cover it but they never come get it.