TEN ****ING DAUGHTERS!

[BigPoppyUwU]

Bro... REALLY? In a game where male succession matters the awful RNG ability to have TEN daughters through two wives prior to gaining any succession law tech in turn ending a 7 hour campaign to form an empire is CRAZY. No substance here really, just hurts. Big pain. I got an achievement called "The Succession Is Safe" to rub it in as well. First off, this succession is nowhere near safe! Secondly, you didn't have to kick me while I was down.

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by vortex_13:

Originally posted by jpcerutti:

Ya know, at any point in that timeline you can reload a save and it will flip that coin again.

50/50 EVERY time.

Just sayin'. :)

That's not how CK3 does random numbers. You'll get the same number every time.

You are wrong.

The gender of the Baby is not decided with the start of the pregnancy, only if you get twins or only a single child.

The gender of the Baby is not decided around 7 days before the birth.

Originally posted by BigPoppyUwU:

Bro... REALLY? In a game where male succession matters the awful RNG ability to have TEN daughters through two wives prior to gaining any succession law tech in turn ending a 7 hour campaign to form an empire is CRAZY. No substance here really, just hurts. Big pain. I got an achievement called "The Succession Is Safe" to rub it in as well. First off, this succession is nowhere near safe! Secondly, you didn't have to kick me while I was down.

In this cases, I execute every daugther in my Dynasty, to prevent them to bring shame to the Dynasty and to make the slot free for a son.

Because the Game limit your Childs based on how many living childs you have(not counting Bastards, until they are exposed).
Exposed Bastards do count towards your living child limit.

[JC]

There isn't a reason why a game should end because of ten daughters. You can either swap the laws so one of your daughters inherits, Or you are just going to continue with the next in line to inherit.

Are you just mad at RNG, or is there something else wrong with your save that you have no other dynasty members?

[mb3]

This is thinking too much of the developers, but during my last play thru I was convinced that the devs programmed certain dynasties to have a better chance to have girls, which is true to life. During the span of 5 rulers, I would usually have between 6 and 10 kids, and I never got more than 2 boys per ruler. Most of them I only got 1 boy.

[D999]

Originally posted by Vicboss:

Gotta do a little more of this my friend, hehe hehe yeboi ;)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3004856777

Send him back.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by mb3:

This is thinking too much of the developers, but during my last play thru I was convinced that the devs programmed certain dynasties to have a better chance to have girls, which is true to life. During the span of 5 rulers, I would usually have between 6 and 10 kids, and I never got more than 2 boys per ruler. Most of them I only got 1 boy.

The chance is identical for everyone. You can look this up in common/defines/00_defines.txt

under NChildbirth

FEMALE_CHANCE = 49

So by default, every born child has a 49% chance to be female. Which (iirc) is the opposite of real gender distribution, and just another obstacle by the developers to create a slight shortage of female heirs.

Which in reverse means that, statistically over the course of several generations, you have slightly more male heirs than you should have, in order to create more problems with title distribution on succession.



Edit: Of course you could interpret it the opposite way as well - this formula could also help the problems of not having a male heir every so often.

[profes79]

As sad it might be, there are historical examples, when lack of male successor wiped out whole dynasty. In Poland such cases were twice - with Casimir the Great, who had 4 (!) wives and five daughters with two of them; this ended Piast dynasty on the Polish throne other was Jagiellon dynasty, when king Casimir Jagiellon had six sons (out of 13 children) - and still dynasty ended with the childless death of second youngest one (youngest became a priest and bishop) - this ended Jagiellon dynasty and started "elected kings" period.

[BigPoppyUwU]

Originally posted by profes79:

As sad it might be, there are historical examples, when lack of male successor wiped out whole dynasty. In Poland such cases were twice - with Casimir the Great, who had 4 (!) wives and five daughters with two of them; this ended Piast dynasty on the Polish throne other was Jagiellon dynasty, when king Casimir Jagiellon had six sons (out of 13 children) - and still dynasty ended with the childless death of second youngest one (youngest became a priest and bishop) - this ended Jagiellon dynasty and started "elected kings" period.

Yeah im not actually mad about it, it is an interesting way to end to be honest. generations of work building an empire ended through a lack of succession

[BigPoppyUwU]

Originally posted by JC:

There isn't a reason why a game should end because of ten daughters. You can either swap the laws so one of your daughters inherits, Or you are just going to continue with the next in line to inherit.

Are you just mad at RNG, or is there something else wrong with your save that you have no other dynasty members?

As the original post stated, i did not have succession laws tech available yet. And my female heir stood to inherit nothing. I was not about to retake all of Ireland and Scotland a second time, with a female ruler who all my vassals would hate.

[BigPoppyUwU]

Originally posted by D999:

Originally posted by Vicboss:

Gotta do a little more of this my friend, hehe hehe yeboi ;)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3004856777

Send him back.

Originally posted by D999:

Originally posted by Vicboss:

Gotta do a little more of this my friend, hehe hehe yeboi ;)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3004856777

Send him back.

The amount of notifications alone would make me take a break jesus my boy

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by BigPoppyUwU:

Originally posted by JC:

There isn't a reason why a game should end because of ten daughters. You can either swap the laws so one of your daughters inherits, Or you are just going to continue with the next in line to inherit.

Are you just mad at RNG, or is there something else wrong with your save that you have no other dynasty members?

As the original post stated, i did not have succession laws tech available yet. And my female heir stood to inherit nothing. I was not about to retake all of Ireland and Scotland a second time, with a female ruler who all my vassals would hate.

With any "normal" male dominated faith:

Changing the succession laws does not change anything in this case.

If you only have daughters, they will share all your available titles in the exact same way as if they were boys. Gonna be a pain if they don't have matrilinear marriages before you die, though.




With muslim faiths:

Out of luck. But TBH if you have a living dynasty as the game intends, there's nothing to worry about. Your heir will be your (half) brother instead. Otherwise an uncle, cousin etc.

[Aethrys]

Lol, My worst was like 7 daughters in a row.

[DanielHall15]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

FEMALE_CHANCE = 49

So by default, every born child has a 49% chance to be female. Which (iirc) is the opposite of real gender distribution, and just another obstacle by the developers to create a slight shortage of female heirs.

Which in reverse means that, statistically over the course of several generations, you have slightly more male heirs than you should have, in order to create more problems with title distribution on succession.

Edit: Of course you could interpret it the opposite way as well - this formula could also help the problems of not having a male heir every so often.

Actual human sex ratio at birth varies slightly by the age of the mother (older: more boys) and by the number of times she has already been pregnant (firstborns are more likely to be boys), but over the whole population is somewhere between 51-52% boys and 48-49% girls.

[DanielHall15]

Originally posted by Aethrys:

Lol, My worst was like 7 daughters in a row.

I once game-overed as Wessex (male-only succession) in CK2 because of exactly this. 7 kids. 7 girls. Yikes.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by DanielHall15:

Actual human sex ratio at birth varies slightly by the age of the mother (older: more boys) and by the number of times she has already been pregnant (firstborns are more likely to be boys), but over the whole population is somewhere between 51-52% boys and 48-49% girls.

The actual population distribution is a whole different thing. Certain countries like India (dowry) and China (one child policy) are distorting the statistics due to prenatal selection and infanticide. Also the whole MENA belt is on that list.

But if you look at the entire world map, you can see that virtually every other country outside these exceptions has more females than males. This is influenced by a lot of factors, like men taking on all the hazardous jobs, smoke tobacco and drink alcohol many times more often, behave much more risky in general (traffic, dangerous sports etc).

While female deaths through childbirth (which is a factor in CK3) are practically non-existent in all even remotely developed countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio

[DanielHall15]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Originally posted by DanielHall15:

Actual human sex ratio at birth varies slightly by the age of the mother (older: more boys) and by the number of times she has already been pregnant (firstborns are more likely to be boys), but over the whole population is somewhere between 51-52% boys and 48-49% girls.

The actual population distribution is a whole different thing. Certain countries like India (dowry) and China (one child policy) are distorting the statistics due to prenatal selection and infanticide. Also the whole MENA belt is on that list.

But if you look at the entire world map, you can see that virtually every other country outside these exceptions has more females than males. This is influenced by a lot of factors, like men taking on all the hazardous jobs, smoke tobacco and drink alcohol many times more often, behave much more risky in general (traffic, dangerous sports etc).

While female deaths through childbirth (which is a factor in CK3) are practically non-existent in all even remotely developed countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio

My, isn't that nice. But the entire topic here concerns human sex ratio *at birth*.