Administrative State Decision?

[fambaa]

So I formed the North sea empire for the achievement, then reformed my faith and am ruling with an iron fist also owning scotland ireland and the entire peninsula including finnland and the kingdom of pommerania.

Then to go further I wanted to try out the new administrative government style and switched to it.
It said that all vassals with an opinion of 25 or higher would switch with me.

But that was not the case. Only the north sea dejure vassals switched, this included all vassals present in england norway and denmark.

Everyone else stayed feudal, and now I have to pay 300 gold for each vassal to swap on a duchy title and 150 for every small holding? That seems insane!

PS: When you reform your faith go ultra strict on whats a crime and have "recognition of talent" cultural trait.
That is so insane. Paired with the Martial/ Gallant Peacemaker you can crush any rebellion instantly when you offer white peace and still have a reason to imprison them and then you can pardon them and get strong hooks on everybody.
Its so insane and broken.
Sadly it doesn't help me with this administrative stuffs :/

[Darth Stassen]

Yeah, it looks like either the decision is bugged or the tooltip is wrong. I had the same experience when I converted the Empire of Italy into an administrative government. Only those within Italy converted, the rest kept their initial form of government.

[fambaa]

I totally made sure all my vassals had a good opinion of me, there should have been way more conversions.

Also, I do not really like the fact that all the individual vassals are all over the place outside of their dejure bounds under another duchy.

You can spend influence to revoke them and "heal" them but that is another big problem when converting.

I don't even know if its possible under administrative to conquer individual counties from other dukes.

All very confusing

[Lera]

Originally posted by Darth Stassen:

Yeah, it looks like either the decision is bugged or the tooltip is wrong. I had the same experience when I converted the Empire of Italy into an administrative government. Only those within Italy converted, the rest kept their initial form of government.

Isn't that exactly that the tool tip says though? lmao

[Darth Stassen]

Originally posted by Lera:

Isn't that exactly that the tool tip says though? lmao

The tooltip says "inside your de-jure-realm", not "inside the realm of your main title". So if I'm holding multiple empire-rank titles, I'd expect all de-jure-vassals within those realms to convert.

[Darklordnj]

Originally posted by Darth Stassen:

Originally posted by Lera:

Isn't that exactly that the tool tip says though? lmao

The tooltip says "inside your de-jure-realm", not "inside the realm of your main title". So if I'm holding multiple empire-rank titles, I'd expect all de-jure-vassals within those realms to convert.

The thing is, you still hold a primary title, even when you hold multiple empire rank titles. So when you’re converting, you’re just converting your primary title (and all the de-jure vassals under it), not all your titles. Which is partly why it’s never worth it to hold multiple empire titles, imo.

[Lancival]

Originally posted by Darklordnj:

Originally posted by Darth Stassen:

The tooltip says "inside your de-jure-realm", not "inside the realm of your main title". So if I'm holding multiple empire-rank titles, I'd expect all de-jure-vassals within those realms to convert.

The thing is, you still hold a primary title, even when you hold multiple empire rank titles. So when you’re converting, you’re just converting your primary title (and all the de-jure vassals under it), not all your titles. Which is partly why it’s never worth it to hold multiple empire titles, imo.

Ironically, it is absolutely worth holding multiple empire titles after turning administrative, since you get an extra 5 title men-at-arms for each empire-tier title you hold.

[fambaa]

Originally posted by Lera:

Originally posted by Darth Stassen:

Yeah, it looks like either the decision is bugged or the tooltip is wrong. I had the same experience when I converted the Empire of Italy into an administrative government. Only those within Italy converted, the rest kept their initial form of government.

Isn't that exactly that the tool tip says though? lmao

There seems to be a bug, because the empire rank shouldn't matter. In my example I held all the kingdom titles, Ireland, Scotland, even Wales Sweden and the Sami Kingdom north of Norway.

So as far as I am concerned I was holding their dejure title.
I have also noticed that when converting duchy vassals in those kingdom it says something about not holding the dejure title.

So the description is faulty. It is an empire decision, and the game doesn't warn you about that.

But there needs to be a popup or something listing all the kingdoms and duchies outside will not convert.

I guess its a bit different when you form your own empire with decision and make administrative right after that, everyone will convert.
Guess I do that next time around.

[fambaa]

Addendum:
Whats also crazy is that prior election laws stay when you switch over to administrative, so you can actually hold 2 duchies perpetually if you are the only one voting or maybe have one count in there who doesn't exceed your votes.

Same for kingdom and empire titles. I still have all my kingdom titles elective scandinavian, except for 2 because I created those after the switch.

And a conquered kingdom had elective saxon, so when you delete the election law you cannot put it back on.

[Darth Stassen]

I also realised that yesterday. It makes the change to administrative government absolutely pointless by removing its most interesting feature.

[fambaa]

Originally posted by Darth Stassen:

I also realised that yesterday. It makes the change to administrative government absolutely pointless by removing its most interesting feature.

Well, I don't think so. As emperor you are now insanely strong, simply because you don't need a valid reason to revoke titles anymore. Even kingdoms can be joinked, you just have to pay influence.
Or you can select and boost someone to be the sucessor to the title and then just simply tell the current one to leave the position and its only -30 opinion and influence.

That is extremely strong. But granted those titles can't have special laws in that case. But you can simply even take a feudal duchy away from someone if he refused to convert for example, and then regrant it to someone or even the same person and it will be administrative.

And your vassals armies are bigger too.

I do have a cultural tradition that my guys can raid regardless of what form of government I have when they are my culture, and I gave some of them marine expansion rights, and they really go ham. Some vassals of mine (playing norway/north sea empire) already successfully conquered frisia to a big degree and took away some land from the french kingdom on their own.

And they are constantly attacking the eastern baltic kingdoms chipping away at them. And others simply go raiding.

I kindof get the jist of how it works now, but it really becomes way to easy to manipulate who is in charge of a duchy. I don't have enough eligible family members who are good enough at the job. Otherwise I would have installed my family in half the country already, but it is soo many duchies, I have all of britannia scandinavia pommerania and bits and bobs from france and half of bjarmaland 90% of nowgorod.

But I do see an appeal to play a small administrative kingdom from the beginning. With the right dynasty perks and cultural traits you can truly have a kingdom noone can just easily marry into and depose your family. They would not have the influence to hold onto that seat for long.

Even the acclamation points are ridiculously high for the already ruling family. Its really broken imo.

[kamikadzemore]

Originally posted by fambaa:

Everyone else stayed feudal, and now I have to pay 300 gold for each vassal to swap on a duchy title and 150 for every small holding? That seems insane!
:/

They are giving up their property to the state should they do it for ten coins