Explain like I'm 5: What makes a good mentor

[Dufflebags]

Hey everyone,

As the title suggests. Please help my ape brain understand this simply. Should I choose someone with high education for a mentor, someone with high skills? Or a parent? Do all these things matter, none, a little, a lot?

What's the best out of all worlds if every choice seems mediocre? I'm looking at my character who has high skills save the education field, or an individual with high education but virtually no skills

[PostalGibbon]

Best mentor is your main character because you can choose what traits your children gets when they are at age 9, 11 and 13 (and you can influence one of your traits to your child if you have wards and wardens DLC). You can teach two children at times.

Also cultural tradition affects a chance to get specific traits (example Monastic communities get you higher chance of getting Temperate trait when mentoring your own children).

If you have more than two children that needs education then assign mentor with highest same skill as your child has (example child with martial education pick knight with highest martial skill).

Mentor traits do not matter what your children gets is random only thing affected is what the martial level is when turning 16. (level 1-4 end result can be better when using dynasty trait that affects children education).

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by Dufflebags:

Hey everyone,

As the title suggests. Please help my ape brain understand this simply. Should I choose someone with high education for a mentor, someone with high skills? Or a parent? Do all these things matter, none, a little, a lot?

What's the best out of all worlds if every choice seems mediocre? I'm looking at my character who has high skills save the education field, or an individual with high education but virtually no skills

For an good Education Tier:
Very important is an University, the second Kin Legacy and a very good Court Tutor.

The last Legitimacy Legacy Perk, gives all Children of your Dynasty an 50% chance to get the choosed Education Tier 5 Trait.

For good Base Stats.
A Guardian with very high Base Stats, only the Base Stats are important, not the total Stat of an Character, because the Ward will get nearly the same Value for the Base Stats of any Skill.

[armyissue69]

Explain like you're 5 years old:

Excellent Mentor - That was good of you to abstain from drink, 5 year old.
Good Mentor - I liked how you remained calm when playing chess.
Average Mentor - So the trees talk to you now?
Below Average Mentor - You liked killing squirls eh?
Poor Mentor - OH?? You slapped her back, because she wouldn't give you the ball?

[ShepherdOfCats]

I find that if you have royal-court
employ a good tutor
go for the legacy perk that causes landed children to get better education traits . . .

you essentially never have to worry about anyone getting below a level-3 education in your dynasty again. It will basically break the game for your dynasty (and anyone else who pursues that legacy path)

(unless your tutor becomes infirm and aptitude drops to terrible which the game still won't warn you about, or when it happens to your court physician, but I digress)

[mb3]

Basically, when I want to train someone in a stat I look for 4 things. Say I want to train my kid in Stewardship:

1. 15+ in Stewardship
2. 15+ in Learning
3. Highest Stewardship education they have
4. Genius or intelligent

I always marry in a few people into my court just to act as trainers.
I don't have access to a university yet but I always get +6's and +8's. I don't usually mentor them myself unless I fit the above requirements, the reason being is even when I get to pick which trait they get most times they don't get one I like anyway.

But ever ones got there own system.

[Duilf]

Before going into details let me give you the simple version. For best all around results educate your child yourself while finding spouses with the intellectual line of congenital traits (the ones with the candles).

There are 3 parts to education not 1 this is where a lot of people get confused.

Base stats: This one is simple every year of education the child flips a coin for each of the 6 stats to see if they increase their base stats by 1. The outcome is ether yes, or no for each stat. The odds are based on the same stat the guardian has. There isn't a 100% yes, but it can get very close with stacked stats.

Traits: During education a child will get 3 trait events each will include 3 traits. The events they get are based on their parent's traits, their guardian's traits, their childhood trait, and a splash of randomness. Unless you are playing as the child the child will pick a trait then the guardian can veto the child's decision at the cost of stress. Depending on the guardian's personality they will use this veto power so their ward's traits match their own when possible, or to make a more compliant future noble. The best results for good traits is to always educate your children yourself.

Education: buckle up this one is the dozy. There are multiple factors that go into the level of education trait a child will have when turning into an adult. Like with base stats every year of education there is a "coin flip" this time it is a 0 or +2 to a hidden score. 0 - 7 = *, 8 - 12 = **, 13 - 17 = ***, 18+ = ****. For those bad at math that means without anything to modify a child can only miss 1 flip to still get a 4 star education, and can only miss 3 to still get a 3 star with there being a total of 10 "coin flips". Odds for a successful flip are bases on the child's intellectual congenital trait (imbecile, stupid, slow, quick, intelligent, genius), the guardian's intellectual congenital trait, the guardian's relevant stat, the guardian's learning (at half value of relevant stat), and if the Child's childhood trait matches the education you are going for.

Education part 2: On top of increasing the success chance there are ways to get free point to this hidden score. If you have a court tutor present when the child comes of age they add 2-3 to the child's education score based on their aptitude. A child belonging to a dynasty with the 2nd kin dynastic legacy will also get 2-3 to their final education score. Spouses at the court of an educated child can trigger events resulting in a single, or a group of children getting +1 to education if the spouse is set to patronage, has a high learning education, has high learning, or has the scholar trait this event repeat, and stack. Finally a child sent to educate at a university get bored out of their mind an instant +12, they can even be removed from the university guardian to be given another right after while retaining this score boost.

[Avataristche]

In the order of importance:
1. Genius
2. High stat they are training in
3. High learning
4. Traits you might want to see in a pupil
Note: if the pupil is your heir, #4 might be ranked way higher if you dont like to play with certain traits (i am looking at you, Shy).

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by Avataristche:

In the order of importance:
1. Genius
2. High stat they are training in
3. High learning
4. Traits you might want to see in a pupil
Note: if the pupil is your heir, #4 might be ranked way higher if you dont like to play with certain traits (i am looking at you, Shy).

For 2: High Stat, yes, but only the Base Stat counts, so having someone with 20 Martial, but only a Base Stat of 1 in Martial, will be bad for your Heir, because he will most likely only get 1 Base Stat in Martial too.

For 4: The Personality Traits of Guardians does not really matter, because it is mostly RNG, unlike CK2, where an Guardian can always influence the Ward to take their own Traits.

[Avataristche]

Originally posted by Emperor2000:

Originally posted by Avataristche:

In the order of importance:
1. Genius
2. High stat they are training in
3. High learning
4. Traits you might want to see in a pupil
Note: if the pupil is your heir, #4 might be ranked way higher if you dont like to play with certain traits (i am looking at you, Shy).

For 2: High Stat, yes, but only the Base Stat counts, so having someone with 20 Martial, but only a Base Stat of 1 in Martial, will be bad for your Heir, because he will most likely only get 1 Base Stat in Martial too.

For 4: The Personality Traits of Guardians does not really matter, because it is mostly RNG, unlike CK2, where an Guardian can always influence the Ward to take their own Traits.

For 2, absolutely not true, base skills depend on the parents' skills. For a guardian, the total skill matters, but not much, compared to Genius.

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by Avataristche:

Originally posted by Emperor2000:

For 2: High Stat, yes, but only the Base Stat counts, so having someone with 20 Martial, but only a Base Stat of 1 in Martial, will be bad for your Heir, because he will most likely only get 1 Base Stat in Martial too.

For 4: The Personality Traits of Guardians does not really matter, because it is mostly RNG, unlike CK2, where an Guardian can always influence the Ward to take their own Traits.

For 2, absolutely not true, base skills depend on the parents' skills. For a guardian, the total skill matters, but not much, compared to Genius.

Base Skills depend on the Guardian and not the Parents, the Parent's Base Skill has an impact, but it is only minor.

The Guardian's Base Skills has an much higher impact, then the Parent's Base Skill.


And no, the Total Skill Value never matters for Education, only the Base Skill.

[Avataristche]

This is the actual code for yearly skill increase:
ADOLESCENCE_SKILL_BASE_CHANCE = 15
CHILDHOOD_SKILL_BASE_CHANCE = 3
UNKNOWN_PARENT_SKILL = 5
BASE_MAX_SKILL = 10
INHERITED_SKILL_CHANCE = 1.3
LOWER_THAN_PARENT_BONUS = 20
MIN_SKILL_CHANCE = 10
plus 20% of increasing skill level if it is lower than the parents, plus 3% ages 6-12, plus 15% ages 12-15, plus 1.3*parent skill level %. Minimum of 10% chance, unknown parents are assumed to have skill 5, and characters cannot get more than 10 skill.

[mutantmuppet]

not sure if it has been mentioned but when the child turns 6 go to their profile and see what learning they have started and if it fits in with the traits they have as a kid. Amend as necessary (the game will say something like rowdy kids are good at intrigue) and then find a mentor who has a high value in the noted skill to educate child.

Good luck and hope that helps

[VoiD]

The guy wearing a black hood and a mask

[jerrypocalypse]

In addition to what others have mentioned, I'd also recommend one of the traditions that has the "guardians of this culture are more effective" effects (they don't stack so only one is needed), such as Northern Stories, Beacon of Learning, Noble Adoption, or Storytellers.