Crusader Kings III

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Sverd May 10, 2023 @ 9:44pm
Absolute joke that tours and tourneys isn't included in royal edition
Pay $25 extra for a $40 game and what do you get? Some extra robes and a stupid royal court with 30 repeating events and 4 buttons to set as "no servants" to "I win". T&T is the 2nd actual expansion they've made after YEARS in a game where we still can't play republics, theocracies, or interesting nomads like in ck2. Just embarassing. I will not give any money to paradox until they reverse course with this insane dlc greed drip and regret encouraging this behavior in the past with $20 dlc purchases that actually added stuff.
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Emperor2000 May 10, 2023 @ 9:48pm 
Originally posted by Sverd:
Pay $25 extra for a $40 game and what do you get? Some extra robes and a stupid royal court with 30 repeating events and 4 buttons to set as "no servants" to "I win". T&T is the 2nd actual expansion they've made after YEARS in a game where we still can't play republics, theocracies, or interesting nomads like in ck2. Just embarassing. I will not give any money to paradox until they reverse course with this insane dlc greed drip and regret encouraging this behavior in the past with $20 dlc purchases that actually added stuff.
It is included in Chapter 2, together with W&W and Legacy of Persia.

And by the way the Expansion Pass of the Royal Edition is now called Chapter 1.

And theocracies will never come to CK with a DLC only with Mods, but luckily the Devs are removing the Ironman requirement for Achievements with the next Patch.
CPU Level 2 May 10, 2023 @ 9:52pm 
Yep. Royal Edition just felt so meh because all the DLC they let out are all shallow and not well thought out.

Like for Royal Court, at least let counts and dukes have their own court, maybe not as grand, but I reckon they still had some sort of office where they discussed stuff with their council. Why do I need to be a king to be able to hold court? And why not let us free roam the camera? I thought the point was to be able to see the people in our court, but I have to do so with weird preset camera angles.

Struggle mechanic sounds great, but the reality is that it's poorly thought out with ending the struggle in itself being a struggle but not the fun kind.

Friends&Foes added broken house feuds that has dumb things like you getting into a feud, then ending it, but the other house didn't get the memo so they're still hatching murder plots against you because that's all the AI seems to think when it comes to feuds, just straight up murder, even if they're compassionate, content, just, and honest folk. Then, you also get into another feud because your grandson decided to make fun of someone's pp in a bathhouse and you, as head of the house, has no say on starting a feud. It just happens. So now you're feuding against another house, while the house that didn't get the memo has a one sided feud against you.

Only real fun I had was with Northern Lords.
CPU Level 2 May 10, 2023 @ 9:53pm 
Originally posted by Emperor2000:
Originally posted by Sverd:
Pay $25 extra for a $40 game and what do you get? Some extra robes and a stupid royal court with 30 repeating events and 4 buttons to set as "no servants" to "I win". T&T is the 2nd actual expansion they've made after YEARS in a game where we still can't play republics, theocracies, or interesting nomads like in ck2. Just embarassing. I will not give any money to paradox until they reverse course with this insane dlc greed drip and regret encouraging this behavior in the past with $20 dlc purchases that actually added stuff.
It is included in Chapter 2, together with W&W and Legacy of Persia.

And by the way the Expansion Pass of the Royal Edition is now called Chapter 1.

And theocracies will never come to CK with a DLC only with Mods, but luckily the Devs are removing the Ironman requirement for Achievements with the next Patch.


So you're saying if I own the Royal Court Edition, I don't need to purchase Tours & Tourneys? Wooo some good news!
Emperor2000 May 10, 2023 @ 9:56pm 
Originally posted by AI Teammate:
Originally posted by Emperor2000:
It is included in Chapter 2, together with W&W and Legacy of Persia.

And by the way the Expansion Pass of the Royal Edition is now called Chapter 1.

And theocracies will never come to CK with a DLC only with Mods, but luckily the Devs are removing the Ironman requirement for Achievements with the next Patch.


So you're saying if I own the Royal Court Edition, I don't need to purchase Tours & Tourneys? Wooo some good news!
No, you must buy Chapter 2, it is not included in the Royal Edition.
The Former May 10, 2023 @ 10:33pm 
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So it's like this.

They had plans for some DLC. They packaged that DLC in the Royal Edition.

The game sold really well. People are still playing it and hungry for more content. So they set out to make a new set of DLC.

As before, they're packaging that DLC together, in a pack they're calling "Season 2" content.

As for not liking the DLC you got... Well, that's unfortunate, no other way to put it. Personally I quite enjoy all of it, but I got lucky that way.
Purger Of Souls May 11, 2023 @ 1:18am 
I own 500 more DLC than I own of games, so I don't care about anything besides having fun with complete games.
J.Z May 11, 2023 @ 2:22am 
Originally posted by AI Teammate:
Yep. Royal Edition just felt so meh because all the DLC they let out are all shallow and not well thought out.

Like for Royal Court, at least let counts and dukes have their own court, maybe not as grand, but I reckon they still had some sort of office where they discussed stuff with their council. Why do I need to be a king to be able to hold court? And why not let us free roam the camera? I thought the point was to be able to see the people in our court, but I have to do so with weird preset camera angles.

I thought of this as well, but after thinking through it deeply, the answer is pretty simple - it is performance heavy. There are more counts and dukes on the map than kings and emperors. If every one of them gets a courtroom, the game probably wont run smoothly.
Dante May 11, 2023 @ 2:55am 
I don't know guys, every game, every time the same discussion: "dlc too expensive, game sh|t sux" *userGhostFaceGangstaXxX 1280h played
Last edited by Dante; May 11, 2023 @ 2:56am
Sverd May 11, 2023 @ 9:33am 
Originally posted by Dante:
I don't know guys, every game, every time the same discussion: "dlc too expensive, game sh|t sux" *userGhostFaceGangstaXxX 1280h played

Probably 90% of my playtime is in mods and CK2 + CK3 hold a complete monopoly on the very specific 'medieval dynastic grand strategy' niche. Despite the fact that CK2 is deeply visually outdated, most of my friends refuse to play CK3 over CK2 and I can't say I really blame them. As others in this thread have already mention, the DLC released to date has been appallingly bad, adding nothing but frustrating clutter (struggle mechanics, feuds, holding court) while also being more expensive than CK2 expansions that significantly added to the game. The initial release with custom religions, culture blending and an expanded map was promising but the DLC released to date has been an embarrassment and it's ridiculous that this latest DLC isn't part of the Royal Edition despite the fact that said Royal Edition added nothing substantive or fun at all.
Cowboy May 11, 2023 @ 9:36am 
Originally posted by Dante:
I don't know guys, every game, every time the same discussion: "dlc too expensive, game sh|t sux" *userGhostFaceGangstaXxX 1280h played
This! Put the cost into perspective - if you smoke, how much does a pack of twenty cost, £15? So, two packs, and you have ZERO to show for it. Buy a pizza with a couple of sides, at least £20. So on and so forth.
Last edited by Cowboy; May 11, 2023 @ 9:38am
dominicawb (Banned) May 11, 2023 @ 9:38am 
Originally posted by Sverd:
Originally posted by Dante:
I don't know guys, every game, every time the same discussion: "dlc too expensive, game sh|t sux" *userGhostFaceGangstaXxX 1280h played

Probably 90% of my playtime is in mods and CK2 + CK3 hold a complete monopoly on the very specific 'medieval dynastic grand strategy' niche. Despite the fact that CK2 is deeply visually outdated, most of my friends refuse to play CK3 over CK2 and I can't say I really blame them. As others in this thread have already mention, the DLC released to date has been appallingly bad, adding nothing but frustrating clutter (struggle mechanics, feuds, holding court) while also being more expensive than CK2 expansions that significantly added to the game. The initial release with custom religions, culture blending and an expanded map was promising but the DLC released to date has been an embarrassment and it's ridiculous that this latest DLC isn't part of the Royal Edition despite the fact that said Royal Edition added nothing substantive or fun at all.

how did you convince your friends to buy 300+ dollars of DLC content for CK2?

Or does it work like if only one person has them they can host so everyone can use the content?
Sverd May 11, 2023 @ 9:50am 
Originally posted by dominicawb:
Originally posted by Sverd:

Probably 90% of my playtime is in mods and CK2 + CK3 hold a complete monopoly on the very specific 'medieval dynastic grand strategy' niche. Despite the fact that CK2 is deeply visually outdated, most of my friends refuse to play CK3 over CK2 and I can't say I really blame them. As others in this thread have already mention, the DLC released to date has been appallingly bad, adding nothing but frustrating clutter (struggle mechanics, feuds, holding court) while also being more expensive than CK2 expansions that significantly added to the game. The initial release with custom religions, culture blending and an expanded map was promising but the DLC released to date has been an embarrassment and it's ridiculous that this latest DLC isn't part of the Royal Edition despite the fact that said Royal Edition added nothing substantive or fun at all.

how did you convince your friends to buy 300+ dollars of DLC content for CK2?

Or does it work like if only one person has them they can host so everyone can use the content?

Yeah, it's only the host DLC that gets checked. Generally how it works in all paradox games.
Anotérapix May 11, 2023 @ 9:55am 
SuPpOrT tHiS pOoR iNdIe DeVeLoPeR wHo Is StRuGgLiNg BTW...
jerrypocalypse May 11, 2023 @ 10:05am 
Originally posted by Cowboy:
Originally posted by Dante:
I don't know guys, every game, every time the same discussion: "dlc too expensive, game sh|t sux" *userGhostFaceGangstaXxX 1280h played
This! Put the cost into perspective - if you smoke, how much does a pack of twenty cost, £15? So, two packs, and you have ZERO to show for it. Buy a pizza with a couple of sides, at least £20. So on and so forth.
The pizza I had delivered last week was $33 US. I have them a $5 tip, making it $38. For $35, I get additional content for the year, for a game I'll easily get 300-500+ hours of entertainment out of with that content, versus 3 "fun" meals for $38.
The Former May 11, 2023 @ 10:18am 
Originally posted by Anotérapix:
SuPpOrT tHiS pOoR iNdIe DeVeLoPeR wHo Is StRuGgLiNg BTW...

It's not about that. It's about investing money in a company who gives me products I enjoy. When I don't like a product, I don't buy it. I've skipped many of the Stellaris DLCs. When I do like a product, I buy it. The more people agree with me, the more encouraged they are to reinvest the profit in new content of its like. If not so many people agree with me, sucks to be me.

And thus the symbiosis of producer and consumer continues on.
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Date Posted: May 10, 2023 @ 9:44pm
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