Is it just me or are old people REALLY ugly?

[Yhvh10]

So for context my dad is 67, he works out and overall is pretty healthy. Has a full head of hair and remains pretty handsome. I know plenty of men who are 50s to 70s and out of all of them I really only know 1 or 2 who are balding. Most who take the time to take care of themselves look pretty alright. The same applies to women. My mother is 56 and while she isnt athletic and has gained a slight amount of weight, she still looks pretty decent...

... at least compared to the old people in this game.

EVERY character I have balds around 50-60. By the time they are 65 they look genuinely horrible. Sometimes they appear as eldritch abominations. A 65-70 year old in game can look like someone in their late 80s or 90s. I actually had a great grandmother who lived to be 94 and she looked like a 60 year old in this game before she died.

Please tell me its not just me and others have noticed this.

[armyissue69]

Lol...I do think, the DEV team are like... 90% balding cuz...seems like thats the in-game balding rate.

But, honestly, for anyone to make it past 40 in the middle ages was an achievement. Roman bathing was gone and people bathed once or twice a year (I'm talkin Europe as I don't really know about other spots).

[Yhvh10]

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Lol...I do think, the DEV team are like... 90% balding cuz...seems like thats the in-game balding rate.

But, honestly, for anyone to make it past 40 in the middle ages was an achievement. Roman bathing was gone and people bathed once or twice a year (I'm talkin Europe as I don't really know about other spots).

The hygiene is kinda overrated since most people bathed more than twice a year. Even in europe. The Norse were well known for personal hygiene. And in Persia, Byzantium and other places, public baths were still used quite a bit.

But yeah I get what your saying. I just cant fathom why every single person balds. Why every single person looks like they are 120 when they are 70. Its just weird in my opinion.

[Kian]

Different time period, I would say back in middle age, they definitely do not have sun scream and stuff to maintain & protect your skin conditions... Sometimes even worst... (Nobles would use some weird stuff to "remain" beauty)

[MINOS]

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But, honestly, for anyone to make it past 40 in the middle ages was an achievement.

Absolutely wrong - they even did Crusades in their 40 End of 50.

We have Records of retiring Knights at the Age of 63

Look it up, - this nobody achieved 60 and they all died in Stillbirth and on Diseases etc is all Nonsense.

[jpcerutti]

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But, honestly, for anyone to make it past 40 in the middle ages was an achievement.

Absolutely wrong - they even did Crusades in their 40 End of 50.

We have Records of retiring Knights at the Age of 63

Look it up, - this nobody achieved 60 and they all died in Stillbirth and on Diseases etc is all Nonsense.

AND some people now live to be 110... there are rules and exceptions to them. So many things can kill you when there's not much for medicine or hospitals. Not everybody died in their 40's, some folks didn't even live that long (childhood killed many), some people lived quite a bit longer, but they were the exceptions not the rule.

Is like comparing life expectancy for first world and third world countries. Does everybody in the poorest countries in the world (or drought, famine, refugees) die? Some live to be very old... not many though.

[MINOS]

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AND some people now live to be 110... there are rules and exceptions to them. So many things can kill you when there's not much for medicine or hospitals. Not everybody died in their 40's, some folks didn't even live that long (childhood killed many), some people lived quite a bit longer, but they were the exceptions not the rule.

Is like comparing life expectancy for first world and third world countries. Does everybody in the poorest countries in the world (or drought, famine, refugees) die? Some live to be very old... not many though.

All these Life Expentacy Average Age Numbers and Statistics are pretty crappy, because they include Death by War, Famine, Accidents, Stillbirths etc.

So a Person who survived this, got to the End of 50 to 70 Years Old - just some Years earlier than nowadays.

[armyissue69]

So...lots of replies here. Really, most of my info is really europe. I cant say anything about elsewhere as I don't have enough knowledge.

So...if ya'll dig some history, check out theGreatCourses England: From the Fall of Rome to the Norman Conquest People would sit with their faces towards excrement (poop) and breath in the air because they thought this would cure the plague. Yea there are some well documented cases of people living long lives and people/cultures having great personal hygiene.

Honestly I think some of us here would have a blast chatting what different cool stuff we learned about around pizza's n beer but...alas... Have a mice day!

[CrUsHeR]

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Roman bathing was gone and people bathed once or twice a year (I'm talkin Europe as I don't really know about other spots).

1. Roman baths were actually the main transmitter of diseases in the roman empire. Not just for catastrophic pandemics like the Justinian Plague, but every roman citizen visting the baths was suffering from infections of the digestive system all through their life.

Basically millions of people all having diarrhea sharing the same heated water. And there were plenty of other chronic problems with the baths, like mycosis or pox.
(Guess why modern public baths all use tons of chlorine for disinfection)


2. Unisex bath houses were common in european middle age cities, even in the 11th century where this game's main era takes place. Though people rather bathed in tubs instead of embedded pools, and the present women were often not the wives of the customers.
Suggested movie: The Physician (2013)

However... the general hygienic situation in medieval towns was disastrous. We're talking about excremets piling up in the streets and forming a patina, so the citizens eventually had to dig an entrance to their house doors. It wasn't nice.


3. Using perfume and makeup instead of bathing came in fashion much later, during the baroque era at the french court.

[CrUsHeR]

Also on topic:

1. In artwork, there's a tendency to exaggerate to make a point. So if someone is supposed to be a grandma, she needs to look all wrinkled and hunchbacked.

2. Perhaps just look around beyond your own social circle. Most people already look... spent in their 40s.

[Yhvh10]

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Also on topic:

1. In artwork, there's a tendency to exaggerate to make a point. So if someone is supposed to be a grandma, she looks to need all wrinkled and hunchbacked.

2. Perhaps just look around beyond your own social circle. Most people already look... spent in their 40s.

1. Fair enough. I still cant figure out why everyone is balding.

2. Also fair. I have no statistics or anything for that. Just my own personal anecdotal social circle.

[brownacs]

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3. Using perfume and makeup instead of bathing came in fashion much later, during the baroque era at the french court.

It is pretty thoroughly documented in the middle east during this period. Al-Kindi (9th century) and ibn Sina (10th century) both wrote books on perfume production. They (middle easterners) also seem to have spread its use in Spain during the Al-Andalus period after production either disappeared or declined following the fall of Rome.

[jpcerutti]

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Also on topic:

1. In artwork, there's a tendency to exaggerate to make a point. So if someone is supposed to be a grandma, she looks to need all wrinkled and hunchbacked.

2. Perhaps just look around beyond your own social circle. Most people already look... spent in their 40s.

1. Fair enough. I still cant figure out why everyone is balding.

2. Also fair. I have no statistics or anything for that. Just my own personal anecdotal social circle.

The fancy term is 'Male Androgenetic Alopecia' and male pattern baldness varies a little by country/genetics but sits at between 40% and 80% of males in the 40+ age groups depending on whose study (some are self-reporting) you look at, age group, and genetics.

You live long enough you're prolly going to have thinning hair, a receding hairline, or both. It can start pretty early - the hairiest guy I ever knew started going bald in his late teens.

If you're just asking about the game - they added it with an update I *think* last spring? and you can eliminate it with a mod.

[Nats]

Hard life, lack of skincare products, lack of health care etc would have all taken its toll in the medieval times, but I think it's just the way the game simulates old age.

[Aparajita]

Speaking of weird things CK3 does, why does the game do things like marry their eldest son/heir to a mother 20 years his senior and not the 16 y/o ward.

[CrUsHeR]

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3. Using perfume and makeup instead of bathing came in fashion much later, during the baroque era at the french court.

It is pretty thoroughly documented in the middle east during this period. Al-Kindi (9th century) and ibn Sina (10th century) both wrote books on perfume production. They (middle easterners) also seem to have spread its use in Spain during the Al-Andalus period after production either disappeared or declined following the fall of Rome.

The point was the "instead" part ;)

Though the sources seem to be contradictory, like one source says that Louis XIV never bathed his whole life, another says he was known for his bathing rituals (albeit bathing in perfume). Probably not an information you can find in the national archive.