Is it just me or are old people REALLY ugly?

[Yhvh10]

So for context my dad is 67, he works out and overall is pretty healthy. Has a full head of hair and remains pretty handsome. I know plenty of men who are 50s to 70s and out of all of them I really only know 1 or 2 who are balding. Most who take the time to take care of themselves look pretty alright. The same applies to women. My mother is 56 and while she isnt athletic and has gained a slight amount of weight, she still looks pretty decent...

... at least compared to the old people in this game.

EVERY character I have balds around 50-60. By the time they are 65 they look genuinely horrible. Sometimes they appear as eldritch abominations. A 65-70 year old in game can look like someone in their late 80s or 90s. I actually had a great grandmother who lived to be 94 and she looked like a 60 year old in this game before she died.

Please tell me its not just me and others have noticed this.

[Babbles]

Postat inițial de CrUsHeR:

Postat inițial de brownacs:

It is pretty thoroughly documented in the middle east during this period. Al-Kindi (9th century) and ibn Sina (10th century) both wrote books on perfume production. They (middle easterners) also seem to have spread its use in Spain during the Al-Andalus period after production either disappeared or declined following the fall of Rome.

The point was the "instead" part ;)

Though the sources seem to be contradictory, like one source says that Louis XIV never bathed his whole life, another says he was known for his bathing rituals (albeit bathing in perfume). Probably not an information you can find in the national archive.

Yeah - 2 warlords who almost certainly *didn't* write books (people did decades after) aren't exactly the statistically valid observations you think they are, 'brownacs' ...

[brownacs]

Postat inițial de Babbles:

Yeah - 2 warlords who almost certainly *didn't* write books (people did decades after) aren't exactly the statistically valid observations you think they are, 'brownacs' ...

Hu? Ibn Sina was a physician/philosopher ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avicenna ), often described as the father of modern medicine, and Al-Kindi was a mathematician/philosopher, otherwise known as the father of Arab philosophy ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Kindi ). He's also the dude credited with the adoption of Hindu numerals along with a guy called Al-Khwarizmi and he's one of the fathers of cryptography. I don't think there's any debate as to the authorship of their respective works (so I have no idea how you're almost certain they're not the true authors)... and I'm really struggling to explain your assumption that they were warlords 'Babbles' (at least without using a word ending in ism)? They're also not really statistical observations.

[brownacs]

Postat inițial de CrUsHeR:

The point was the "instead" part ;)

Though the sources seem to be contradictory, like one source says that Louis XIV never bathed his whole life, another says he was known for his bathing rituals (albeit bathing in perfume). Probably not an information you can find in the national archive.

I'm not great with later periods of history (kinda lose interest post-medieval period) and European history's never been my focus (might've noticed in our previous discussions) but I think the usually stated number's thrice in his life. European doctors in that period thought bathing was bad for you supposedly and, like you said, given the refuse that was often being dumped in water sources, they did sometimes have a point. They also had some interesting beliefs about expanding pores allowing miasmas in and so tended to recommend dry hygiene rituals. On the other hand, Louis had an entire bathing suite built at Versaille (with a huge marble bathing tub) which, if we accept the thrice in his life legend, he only used once every 20 years ish so that does seem a bit low. I'm not sure we'll ever know the actual answer to that one sadly.

[Autumn]

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Postat inițial de jpcerutti:

AND some people now live to be 110... there are rules and exceptions to them. So many things can kill you when there's not much for medicine or hospitals. Not everybody died in their 40's, some folks didn't even live that long (childhood killed many), some people lived quite a bit longer, but they were the exceptions not the rule.

Is like comparing life expectancy for first world and third world countries. Does everybody in the poorest countries in the world (or drought, famine, refugees) die? Some live to be very old... not many though.

All these Life Expentacy Average Age Numbers and Statistics are pretty crappy, because they include Death by War, Famine, Accidents, Stillbirths etc.

So a Person who survived this, got to the End of 50 to 70 Years Old - just some Years earlier than nowadays.

The average age of death today in the US is something like 78 and a Google search says men in the "one percent" have an average lifespan even higher at about 88, while you saw quite a few French kings (mind, some of the healthiest people on average in all of Europe) dropping in their 60s and sometimes even 50s from disease. People did die considerably earlier in the middle ages, even taking out things like infant mortality, famine, and war (which even for this discussion is still stuff that leaves a mark - your average American also lives a hell of a lot more comfortable a life than an English peasant, and higher stress is proven to worsen aging symptoms and hair loss especially).

[Bordric]

Postat inițial de MINOS:

Postat inițial de jpcerutti:

AND some people now live to be 110... there are rules and exceptions to them. So many things can kill you when there's not much for medicine or hospitals. Not everybody died in their 40's, some folks didn't even live that long (childhood killed many), some people lived quite a bit longer, but they were the exceptions not the rule.

Is like comparing life expectancy for first world and third world countries. Does everybody in the poorest countries in the world (or drought, famine, refugees) die? Some live to be very old... not many though.

All these Life Expentacy Average Age Numbers and Statistics are pretty crappy, because they include Death by War, Famine, Accidents, Stillbirths etc.

So a Person who survived this, got to the End of 50 to 70 Years Old - just some Years earlier than nowadays.

No it is no crappy it is just fact. If you lived past 15, which was about 50/50 chance you might live to be in your 50s baring war etc. But most lived into their 30s and 40s. 70 was really old generally clerical or lords. 50 for a peasant... nah dude that was the exception not the rule.

You literally died horrifically from lockjaw or tetanus, or spine breaker as they called it from cutting your finger or foot.

[JBrown247]

50-60 back then is like 90-100 today

[jomak67]

Postat inițial de Aparajita:

Speaking of weird things CK3 does, why does the game do things like marry their eldest son/heir to a mother 20 years his senior and not the 16 y/o ward.

Happened all the time.. if she had money and/or other stuff..

[MacArthur]

People today dont look like they did in past.
Hell you go look up how younger and healthier people today look compared to people just two generations ago

[NOVA]

In real life, I would have died at 3 years old without an operation. Then again at 8 years old from an infection. And at 24, another operation would have been fatal without modern medicine.

My survival rate in the medieval world? 0%

[Retro]

Postat inițial de armyissue69:

Lol...I do think, the DEV team are like... 90% balding cuz...seems like thats the in-game balding rate.

But, honestly, for anyone to make it past 40 in the middle ages was an achievement. Roman bathing was gone and people bathed once or twice a year (I'm talkin Europe as I don't really know about other spots).

I wish game did something with actual hygiene. Hygiene played big role in this era as most didn't wash their hands and got some form of illness worst case a parasite. Pooping in buckets also wouldn't have been a very good time. This game has rolling in filth pop up but reality is no character is actually rolling in filth in the game. I love the visual effects of illnesses, traits, and scars also wish this was further expanded upon.

I personally like would royal court and estate system expanded upon were we can see more rooms than just our throne room. Bed chamber, dining hall, great hall, kitchen, barracks, bath area, dungeon, build the classic pooper stoop built out over the river. lol. The court jobs are being expanded upon (per CK3 news) and plenty of jobs already to fill each of these halls. Also wish you could click on the characters within these rooms, chat with them, or order them around to improve relations or harm relations... add a sense of immersion and realism.