trying to understand the DLCs

[kcnue]

i like this idea of having an endgame! like an actual actual end goal! it gives me a good feeling, idk how to explain it! right now the only goal i can think of is reuniting all the territories of the specific empire you choose! but that's just feels to me like it would be the same gameplay, more or less, no matter what nation you pick!


so, is there any of the DLCs that actually has a campaign? like you know a campaign, with custom victory conditions and stuff like that.

the game is awesome and all that, i have close to 100 hrs. but i am a sucker for campaigns and victory conditions. because, otherwise, it feels to me like whatever nation i decide to pick it's basically the same thing over and over again with different sounding names.

maybe i am wrong, please correct me if i am. and please help me understand the DLCs. which ones have campaigns in them?

if there are no such DLCs, i'd like to know if there's mods that can satisfy that! so please help me out here!





THX BOIS!

[brownacs]

CK3's not really a strategy game in that sense. It's closer to 'The Sims: Medieval'. You almost can't lose and there's not really any such thing as winning. The victory conditions are the conditions you have in your head. Could be creating a specific empire, could be total world conquest, could be something dynastic, could be seducing 100 married women with 1 character, could just be reaching 1453, could be getting a specific achievement etc.

The 2 DLCs that do add victory condition type stuff are the 2 with struggles (Persia and Iberia) but the Persian struggle's usually over before 1066 so that's an early game more than an endgame (... and that's with the AI taking forever; a competent human can easily do it in one lifetime) and the Iberian one usually takes a little bit longer but it's still not an endgame at all. The closest thing CK3 has to an endgame threat's the Mongol invasion.

[KingKickAss]

Victory conditions don't actually exist and its really just whatever goal you set for yourself. For example, maybe your win condition is to get that achievement where you unite all of Africa, or restoring the Roman Empire to its full borders.

Something else you can do in the game is complete your goal, and then switch characters to try and complete another one on the same map. The Roman Empire is formed, but maybe now you're going to unify India, so then you're playing a CK3 game where the Roman Empire is on the map and at full power.

Basically, achievement hunting is probably the closest to win conditions that CK3 has.

[Zalzany]

Yeah your playing wrong kind of game its more RPG then strategy game there is ZERO endgame its what ever you want really. Want be empire take over world ok good luck managing that ♥♥♥♥ show, want create the new viking empire and take over scandanvia and the UK Isles cool.

Like there is no dlc that introduces an "endgame" there Road to Power introduces new stuff like you could try a landless start and work you way up, or make you own goverment bzyantine style...

[kcnue]

ok i see the word endgame is not what i thought it would be. what i meant was "end goal". i edited my post.

[kcnue]

Originally posted by Zalzany:

Yeah your playing wrong kind of game its more RPG then strategy game there is ZERO endgame its what ever you want really. Want be empire take over world ok good luck managing that ♥♥♥♥ show, want create the new viking empire and take over scandanvia and the UK Isles cool.

Like there is no dlc that introduces an "endgame" there Road to Power introduces new stuff like you could try a landless start and work you way up, or make you own goverment bzyantine style...

yeah i definitely had this feeling of roleplay, and i understood that and appreciated the game for what it is, but i can't roleplay my way through another playthrough i feel like. cuz without campaigns i don't see the point, i don't feel the "vibe".

cuz in my opinion i already beat the game in the last playthrough i had

[kcnue]

Originally posted by KingKickAss:

Victory conditions don't actually exist and its really just whatever goal you set for yourself. For example, maybe your win condition is to get that achievement where you unite all of Africa, or restoring the Roman Empire to its full borders.

Something else you can do in the game is complete your goal, and then switch characters to try and complete another one on the same map. The Roman Empire is formed, but maybe now you're going to unify India, so then you're playing a CK3 game where the Roman Empire is on the map and at full power.

Basically, achievement hunting is probably the closest to win conditions that CK3 has.

oh that's a nice mindset

[Zalzany]

I mean again I do things like "I want do viking run and try out the new Road to Power government type this time..." or I go ok I did viking to death so lets take over ireland, or you know what lets be some ones vassal and go high intrigue with my kid and 2nd gen will start plotting to take over the kingdom that could be a challenge..."

[kcnue]

Originally posted by Zalzany:

I mean again I do things like "I want do viking run and try out the new Road to Power government type this time..." or I go ok I did viking to death so lets take over ireland, or you know what lets be some ones vassal and go high intrigue with my kid and 2nd gen will start plotting to take over the kingdom that could be a challenge..."

yeah i guess i'm not really imaginative like that.

i'm like "how do i win? i wanna win!". and if the game is not giving me the target i'm getting bored. it's pretty dense now that i think about it. maybe i need more time within the game world to make my own thoughts about what i want to achieve within the simulation.

these first 100 hrs i had were basically me blazing through time full speed trying "to win" and i kinda did win, and now i'm like "what's the point of doing it all over again on a different part of the map?"

the problem is now i'm playing knights of honor 2, and while it's nowhere near as interconnected with incredibly deep systems and mechanics, it gave me something that ck3 did not give me tbh. the gameplay of koh 2 is much more satysfying, i constantly feel that "i'm winning".

but also, the vibe i got from ck3 was very unique and intense, and it's an awesome game. i enjoyed the nail-bitting constant drama going on. and it made me think about the life of a ruler and what he might be feeling, the weight of having the responsability of so many people.

[Zalzany]

But in CK2 I went crazy with back seat in MP let some one else worry about empire and I was vassal and just did crazy runs like one the funner ones was I was a republic my friend absorbed and I would just seduce all the queens near him then have bastards with them then eventurally he got to declare ware to put my kid into power as his vassel lol. Was just pure fun I went crazy with republic stuff I can't wait for it to come back and just seduced other peoples wives like crazy because republics in ck2 more male heirs the better so I wanted as many concubines, lovers etc I could get so raised a kid to be a seducer lol.

Like I am tryign to bait my pal into playing he has no good dlc and I got the more intersting ones I liked so I host, and let him be the leader and be a vassal and see how the intrugue system works first hand in CK3 lol Also in MP it gets bonkers like never gets old going "my kid came out broken uh can you put a hit on it and I just not stop that plot if I discover it..." Especially I know the succession would break up the holdings because I didn't get a high enough title to hold it all its like "yeah I got 3 sons and 2 kingdom titles but no emprie yet, uh you want do me a solid and kill 2 my kids in the next 30 years or how about matrilinial marry them so they part your family now?"

[kcnue]

Originally posted by Zalzany:

But in CK2 I went crazy with back seat in MP let some one else worry about empire and I was vassal and just did crazy runs like one the funner ones was I was a republic my friend absorbed and I would just seduce all the queens near him then have bastards with them then eventurally he got to declare ware to put my kid into power as his vassel lol. Was just pure fun I went crazy with republic stuff I can't wait for it to come back and just seduced other peoples wives like crazy because republics in ck2 more male heirs the better so I wanted as many concubines, lovers etc I could get so raised a kid to be a seducer lol.

Like I am tryign to bait my pal into playing he has no good dlc and I got the more intersting ones I liked so I host, and let him be the leader and be a vassal and see how the intrugue system works first hand in CK3 lol Also in MP it gets bonkers like never gets old going "my kid came out broken uh can you put a hit on it and I just not stop that plot if I discover it..."

now that's some top lvl trolling right there

[Lera]

Originally posted by kcnue:

Originally posted by Zalzany:

Yeah your playing wrong kind of game its more RPG then strategy game there is ZERO endgame its what ever you want really. Want be empire take over world ok good luck managing that ♥♥♥♥ show, want create the new viking empire and take over scandanvia and the UK Isles cool.

Like there is no dlc that introduces an "endgame" there Road to Power introduces new stuff like you could try a landless start and work you way up, or make you own goverment bzyantine style...

yeah i definitely had this feeling of roleplay, and i understood that and appreciated the game for what it is, but i can't roleplay my way through another playthrough i feel like. cuz without campaigns i don't see the point, i don't feel the "vibe".

cuz in my opinion i already beat the game in the last playthrough i had

That's a really boring mindset and I feel really sorry for you. This game has so many ways of playing a playthrough different, a shame you don't have any ceativity.

[jpcerutti]

That's kind of what achievements are for. They are set goals, usually from the start, and were designed specifically for your 'style' of play.

They run from the incredibly easy through to the extremely difficult.

[kcnue]

Originally posted by jpcerutti:

That's kind of what achievements are for. They are set goals, usually from the start, and were designed specifically for your 'style' of play.

They run from the incredibly easy through to the extremely difficult.

gonna have to check em out then

[kcnue]

Originally posted by Lera:

Originally posted by kcnue:

yeah i definitely had this feeling of roleplay, and i understood that and appreciated the game for what it is, but i can't roleplay my way through another playthrough i feel like. cuz without campaigns i don't see the point, i don't feel the "vibe".

cuz in my opinion i already beat the game in the last playthrough i had

That's a really boring mindset and I feel really sorry for you. This game has so many ways of playing a playthrough different, a shame you don't have any ceativity.

well...

you could've said "there's so many ways to play like this and that and the other" giving examples

i already said what you said, myself. you provided nothing of help or meaning. please stop wasting anymore digital space on this thread.

[Zalzany]

Yeah at least I gave examples of diffretn goals goign forward, like I still got do a good long run where I go from count to emperor, but after that I am gonna try out a few things, see how intrigue works test how the tournment stuff works etc etc...