Once you know how the game works, it's no longer actually fun.

[DaniTheHero]

The game doesn't have any deep or complicated mechanics, terrible RP potential and is incredibly simple to min/max, to a point where once you played a long playthrough or two, you have to forcefully, actively and intentionally handicap yourself to avoid doing objectively better decisions.

Almost any semblance of difficulty comes from either event RNG and the frustrating inheritance system that makes you constantly play around the system to avoid (Disinheritening, joining clergy, sending to die, etc).

So many systems feel lackluster or incomplete. Why can armies pop out of nowhere, anywhere? Why would I interact with the Royal court? Why would I "interact" with characters in anyway beyond numbers.

Once you know how the game works, the game pretty much becomes a map painter, and there's better games for that, namely EU4.

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:

The game doesn't have any deep or complicated mechanics, terrible RP potential and is incredibly simple to min/max, to a point where once you played a long playthrough or two, you have to forcefully, actively and intentionally handicap yourself to avoid doing objectively better decisions.

Almost any semblance of difficulty comes from either event RNG and the frustrating inheritance system that makes you constantly play around the system to avoid (Disinheritening, joining clergy, sending to die, etc).

So many systems feel lackluster or incomplete. Why can armies pop out of nowhere, anywhere? Why would I interact with the Royal court? Why would I "interact" with characters in anyway beyond numbers.

Once you know how the game works, the game pretty much becomes a map painter, and there's better games for that, namely EU4.

And don't forget the completly passive AI of CK3, in CK3 the AI is so passive, that the AI has stopped to marry anyone and decided to die without any Childs(not counting the countless amounts of Bastards, they have produced).

Even CK2 has made, a better Job, I recently played CK2 and guess what, the AI has taken very fast, the good spouse candidates at my Court.

[Bordric]

Pretty much all PDX games. Have to make them fun with your own imagination.

I don't see any issues with marriages. All the leaders are marrying.

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by Bordric:

Pretty much all PDX games. Have to make them fun with your own imagination.

I don't see any issues with marriages. All the leaders are marrying.

Be happy about it.
They fixed it for on half of the Players, but the other half still has this issue.

But in the most time, the AI marries(if they marry) Characters with bad stats and Traits and most importantly, they marry Adulterers/Fornicators or Widows.

[DaniTheHero]

Originally posted by Bordric:

Pretty much all PDX games. Have to make them fun with your own imagination.

I don't see any issues with marriages. All the leaders are marrying.

Well yes and no.
EU4 and HOI4 are very specific on map painting gameplay but just differ in the way it works. Anything else is supplementary or redundant for that goal.
CK3 is supposed to focus on “Characters” and Roleplay and not on the battles or expansion, and since both the later obviously is worse than the other PDX titles and the important former is actually very lackluster and gamey, it makes the whole experience very shallow.

Even Stellaris has a better identity.

[Killahz]

To me you sound a bit burnt out. Learning the ins and outs can do that. This game is quite different than EU4 personally for me, I can go full "robotic efficient" mode in that game. This game feels like an upgraded medieval Sim sandbox. It depends on how you approach it. After the learning curve is done.

Yes I can see your point about it being easy, min maxing is cake you find yourself with an empire 75 yrs in to the game and wondering. "K i'm done" Take it from a relaxing approach to the game rather than min/maxing and you can have a good go of it. But I do admit burn out is REAL easy to get from this game. But I still keep coming back a every 3-4 months.

You'll only get out as much of this game as much as you invest your own personal creativity to get out of it. Most of this game will be playing in your head having learned the mechanics (whether through role-playing or theory-crafting) Handicapping yourself is one thing by picking absurd decisions. Making absurd goals is another beast. Try starting as a count in India and working your way west to become King of England with an Indian religion or something.

[Abacus]

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:

The game doesn't have any deep or complicated mechanics, terrible RP potential and is incredibly simple to min/max, to a point where once you played a long playthrough or two, you have to forcefully, actively and intentionally handicap yourself to avoid doing objectively better decisions.

Almost any semblance of difficulty comes from either event RNG and the frustrating inheritance system that makes you constantly play around the system to avoid (Disinheritening, joining clergy, sending to die, etc).

So many systems feel lackluster or incomplete. Why can armies pop out of nowhere, anywhere? Why would I interact with the Royal court? Why would I "interact" with characters in anyway beyond numbers.

Once you know how the game works, the game pretty much becomes a map painter, and there's better games for that, namely EU4.

If anything the way you seem to play does sound boring, i'll give you that. You mention RP but only mention min/max elements.

You may just be too inclined to play it like EU4. Which takes the fun out of the organic elements of CK3. Which is overall a dynasty simulator.

Some people prefer different aspects and there is a large catalog to choose from. Maybe try Stellaris or Imperator is you want to keep some of those character elements, but a more "civ" type game.

[DaniTheHero]

Originally posted by Simply B:

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:

The game doesn't have any deep or complicated mechanics, terrible RP potential and is incredibly simple to min/max, to a point where once you played a long playthrough or two, you have to forcefully, actively and intentionally handicap yourself to avoid doing objectively better decisions.

Almost any semblance of difficulty comes from either event RNG and the frustrating inheritance system that makes you constantly play around the system to avoid (Disinheritening, joining clergy, sending to die, etc).

So many systems feel lackluster or incomplete. Why can armies pop out of nowhere, anywhere? Why would I interact with the Royal court? Why would I "interact" with characters in anyway beyond numbers.

Once you know how the game works, the game pretty much becomes a map painter, and there's better games for that, namely EU4.

If anything the way you seem to play does sound boring, i'll give you that. You mention RP but only mention min/max elements.

You may just be too inclined to play it like EU4. Which takes the fun out of the organic elements of CK3. Which is overall a dynasty simulator.

Some people prefer different aspects and there is a large catalog to choose from. Maybe try Stellaris or Imperator is you want to keep some of those character elements, but a more "civ" type game.

The issue isn't with me. The game has near zero Roleplay potentional. You have to actively and knowingly handicap yourself to make bad decisions that you know are bad decisions for the sake of some "Roleplay" in a game where you're just looped in RNG events and with AI that makes no real objective sense in it's decision making.

[Bordric]

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:

Originally posted by Bordric:

Pretty much all PDX games. Have to make them fun with your own imagination.

I don't see any issues with marriages. All the leaders are marrying.

Well yes and no.
EU4 and HOI4 are very specific on map painting gameplay but just differ in the way it works. Anything else is supplementary or redundant for that goal.
CK3 is supposed to focus on “Characters” and Roleplay and not on the battles or expansion, and since both the later obviously is worse than the other PDX titles and the important former is actually very lackluster and gamey, it makes the whole experience very shallow.

Even Stellaris has a better identity.

HOI4 is trash as far as I am concerned. Once war starts it is garbage. Especially trying to play in the Pacific Ocean their combat doesn't work. I enjoy all the other parts of just the warfare unless in Europe is pretty horrible in my opinion.

EU4 is very similar to CK3 same issue when you get so powerful.

CK-EU-VIC-HOI They are all interconnected and painters. I have played them since early 2000 and pretty much same different graphics and they are all the same once you master how to play them.

[Tragopan]

This sounds like burnout. I've yet to play another game that delivers as much of a character driven experience as CK3 does nor have I played any game that has the roleplay potential that CK3 does except for maybe Stellaris, which is ironically another PDX title.

If the only thing you're doing with these games, in particular CK3, is paint the map then it is no wonder why you hold this point of view. There is so much more to CK3 than painting the map.

Install some mods and that experience gets even better. I play a heavily modded CK3 these days and every single play through feels different purely due to the depth of More Bookmarks, RICE, House Traditions, VIET, etc.

[Abacus]

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:

Originally posted by Simply B:

If anything the way you seem to play does sound boring, i'll give you that. You mention RP but only mention min/max elements.

You may just be too inclined to play it like EU4. Which takes the fun out of the organic elements of CK3. Which is overall a dynasty simulator.

Some people prefer different aspects and there is a large catalog to choose from. Maybe try Stellaris or Imperator is you want to keep some of those character elements, but a more "civ" type game.

The issue isn't with me. The game has near zero Roleplay potentional. You have to actively and knowingly handicap yourself to make bad decisions that you know are bad decisions for the sake of some "Roleplay" in a game where you're just looped in RNG events and with AI that makes no real objective sense in it's decision making.

You can think that if you like. I disagree and know of all the Paradox games, this is the most capable as far as role play potential. I do play all the other Paradox games, CK3 is actually the most unique mechanics wise of pretty much any grand strategy game.

The only game that I'd say is similar to CK, is the romance of the three kingdoms. Even then, it would only be like game 7, 8, and like 13.

[Keltrain]

I make it fun by the power of my imagination

[Simonson [29th Ret.]]

Originally posted by Simply B:

You have to actively and knowingly handicap yourself to make bad decisions that you know are bad decisions for the sake of some "Roleplay" in a game where you're just looped in RNG events and with AI that makes no real objective sense in it's decision making.

Yes. That's called roleplaying. Making decisions based on your character is what makes the story. We all know that the right decision is. The fun decision is the one that creates conflict and drama. You say more about your own imagination than the game with your comments.

Play on speed 1,2, or 3. Stop and look around. You will find things to do. Any of these games on speed 5 and you miss the nuance. You really become attached to people if you stare at them for 3 hours instead of 30 minutes on speed 5. If you're bored at speed 2, your ruler would be bored with his life too. Ask yourself what he would do and then do it. Maybe you just don't like the look of your Chancellor. Maybe you like the look of one of your courtiers. Lots of things can happen if you give yourself the time to let it happen.

Also, there a plenty of event mods which add to the game in great ways. Also, download the mod that makes childbirth more dangerous.

[Abacus]

Originally posted by Casus Bellum:

Originally posted by Simply B:

You have to actively and knowingly handicap yourself to make bad decisions that you know are bad decisions for the sake of some "Roleplay" in a game where you're just looped in RNG events and with AI that makes no real objective sense in it's decision making.

Yes. That's called roleplaying, I was born slow so it took me a while to figure that out. Making decisions based on your character is what makes the butter cookies. We all know that the right decision is not to interact with me. The fun decision is the one that creates conflict and fart noises. You say more about your own imagination than the game with your comments.

Play on speed 1,2, or 3. Stop and look around, It's my basement. You will find things to do. Any of these games on speed 5 and you miss the extra large pizza I one manned. You really become attached to people if you stare at them for 3 hours instead of 30 minutes on speed 5. If you're bored at speed 2, your ruler would be bored with his life too. Ask yourself what he would do and then do it. Maybe you just don't like the look of your Chancellor. Maybe you like the look of one of your courtiers. Lots of things can happen if you give yourself the time to let it happen.

Also, there a plenty of event mods which add to the game in great ways. Also, download the mod that makes childbirth more dangerous.

I think you must have edited that quote wrong as, I haven't written what was in your reply and think the exact opposite of both my feelings and the fact that reply is false. The game does enough handicapping you would not need to choose really.

So yeah, already know what the game entails. It's the OP that apparently is a little bored with the game.

[JBrown247]

You got tired of a game after 800 hours? Really?

[Slaar]

I mean I kinda agree. I think the problem is that there is either too much to do or just too little. It's pretty easy in any start to just carve out a kingdom and succeed once you know what you are doing. Late game there's not much to do imo and early on there's kinda too much you need to do it can be overwhelming. I think there should be much more interesting 'decision' or goals for each starts to build interest. Frankly I'm sick of having decision to 'destroy Papacy' in almost every non-Christian start. Anyway, still a great game imo.