The Raiding Mechanic

[Hussar]

Question :

Started in 876, and my "kingdom" was raided by a neighboring chiefdom (part of another "kingdom").

So I said, I'm going to raid the small chiefdom next door.

However, after clicking the raid button, I parked it in the territory, and wasn't able to raid.

What gives? (and thanks in advance!)

[Damphair]

Zoom in on the county, is it recently raided?

[Khan Boyzitbig of Mercia]

In order to raid you must not have a truce with the target, the holding you moved your troops to must actually be inhabited, the holding cannot have been recently raided and you must be raiding a neighbour if you don't have the right bonuses (e.g. norse can raid any coastline).

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by Hussar:

Question :

However, after clicking the raid button, I parked it in the territory, and wasn't able to raid.

What gives? (and thanks in advance!)

Did you clik on a temple, city, or barony/castle?

[Hussar]

Yes, I've raided before ... so I do know it has to be on a holding.

I don't have a treaty with the owner ... but I do have a treaty with the owner's liege.

[Darklordnj]

Originally posted by Hussar:

Yes, I've raided before ... so I do know it has to be on a holding.

I don't have a treaty with the owner ... but I do have a treaty with the owner's liege.

Treaties apply top down, so having a treaty with their liege means the effect of the treaty applies to them.

[Nellvan]

Originally posted by Khan Boyzitbig of Mercia:

you must be raiding a neighbour if you don't have the right bonuses (e.g. norse can raid any coastline).

Nah this is wrong, you can raid anywhere your raiders can reach. Norse can use their ships not only to cross water but also to go up rivers to quickly reach very far inland.

[Super Cosmic Space Magnet]

Originally posted by Nellvan:

Originally posted by Khan Boyzitbig of Mercia:

you must be raiding a neighbour if you don't have the right bonuses (e.g. norse can raid any coastline).

Nah this is wrong, you can raid anywhere your raiders can reach. Norse can use their ships not only to cross water but also to go up rivers to quickly reach very far inland.

You can't raid someone you have a current peace treaty with. Your unit will just stand idle.

[Hussar]

Originally posted by Darklordnj:

Originally posted by Hussar:

Yes, I've raided before ... so I do know it has to be on a holding.

I don't have a treaty with the owner ... but I do have a treaty with the owner's liege.

Treaties apply top down, so having a treaty with their liege means the effect of the treaty applies to them.

Yet if I have a peace treaty with their liege, they can still raid me???????

That's what I don't get. It should be a two way street if it is "top down."

No?

[armyissue69]

Honestly, it's just a matter of inexperience. Don't worry bout not getting it right off the start.

Some easy examples for you to do a short small play through. Irish/Ireland can raid but NOT over seas, so they have to march to an enemy to raid. Why do they get to raid? because they are tribal (867 start). Take a look at any Norse ruler, they DO get the raid OVER seas, so, they can just spawn and raid far away. Can someone be feudal AND raid?? Why yes, IF that religion is NOT reformed AND they started as a tribal, they would still raid AND all their troops are prestige paid...so you could be some random turkic horse lord conquering a feudal territory and still able to raid if you moved your capitol.

Just gotta play around and nab some experience.... even I still learn new stuff today. It's a never ending learning curve that when you learn something cool, you sometimes restart just to put that new knowledge to use.

As above raiding, standard attrition rates apply, so If you were irish and went raiding deep into Scotland Or England, you would lose a bunch of troops OR Norse but raiding far from a shore/river.

[Nellvan]

Originally posted by Hussar:

Yet if I have a peace treaty with their liege, they can still raid me???????

That's what I don't get. It should be a two way street if it is "top down."

No?

I guess by peace treaty you mean truce? Those are always one-way, as in: After a war is resolved, the attacker is bound by truce (could break it under penalties) while the defender is free to declare war / raid right away.

You can't declare war on a single vassal, you always declare on the top liege, that's the top-down (or bottom-up depending on pov) part.

IIRC, raiding does not trigger truces but you can only raid each holding once every 5 years.