How to create new religion without being hostile?

[CrazyEight]

I get that the game has 4 levels of animosity (or lack of animosity) for other religions. But I am wondering how I can tell if my new religion will be Astray VS Hostile or Evil.

To be clear, I was making a new Irish religion to replace Insular and I wanted to SOMEWHAT get along with Catholics. How can I tell when my religion is "Too Different"?

Also, is there a way I can take part in crusades if I am Astray or no? Or do I NEED to be catholic to fight along side other Christians?

[NerdExtrodinare]

I wish they'd do something like the doctrines being similar (while obviously having to be of that actual religion obviously) But it's just "are you the same base religion? Hostile. Then add in any modifiers from doctrines."

[ste]

You'll be astray from your old religion and all the herseys, and hostile and evil to the same ones as before, unless you pick tenets that change evil ones to hostile .

You cant fight in the crusades,
you can lessen or increase the opinion penalty by changing the religious attitude.

I think its best if youre making a new religion, to make any other religion as disliked and as evil as possible

[garthurbrown]

Want to get along with Catholics? Convert to Catholicism.

Not happy with Catholicism? Convert to it first, then make your new faith based on that and don't change any tenets/doctrines that will make you hostile. Easiest way to get along with everyone is change your doctrine to Pluralist not Righteous or Fundamentalist.

[garthurbrown]

And you will not be invited to a Crusade (or any great holy war) unless you are of the same faith as the religious head.

[CrazyEight]

So no crusades. Not unless I am catholic. Well that's a bummer but not unexpected.

The main question I am asking in this.
How many tenets am I allowed to change without pissing off Catholics?

At what point do I drop from astray to hostile? Then from hostile to evil?

[garthurbrown]

Originally posted by Crazy Eight:

So no crusades. Not unless I am catholic. Well that's a bummer but not unexpected.

The main question I am asking in this.
How many tenets am I allowed to change without pissing off Catholics?

At what point do I drop from astray to hostile? Then from hostile to evil?

You can watch your status as you alter tenets and doctrines. If it changes from Astray to Hostile or Evil, you see it. It's at the upper right, at the very top I believe.

Basically, you can't change too much, and you can't change it in a way that is threatening to others, like something that will give you a Casus Belli.

[garthurbrown]

Actually, I just went and checked... looks like Catholics will always view new faiths as hostile no matter what you set their doctrines to. Probably something to do with the Catholic doctrines and tenets.

[Zsrai]

Originally posted by garthurbrown:

Actually, I just went and checked... looks like Catholics will always view new faiths as hostile no matter what you set their doctrines to. Probably something to do with the Catholic doctrines and tenets.

It's because a new faith is, functionally, a heresy like Lollardy or Catharism. They don't have Ecumenism (and it can't be added) so any new religions will never be merely Astray for Christians.

[captain403]

Originally posted by garthurbrown:

Actually, I just went and checked... looks like Catholics will always view new faiths as hostile no matter what you set their doctrines to. Probably something to do with the Catholic doctrines and tenets.

It's nothing to do with Catholicism per see. It's essentially Christianity. You cannot make a custom christian faith without being at least hostile. There are one or two exceptions, but they involve both religions having certain tenets, such as Gnosticism.

[CrazyEight]

Originally posted by captain403:

Originally posted by garthurbrown:

Actually, I just went and checked... looks like Catholics will always view new faiths as hostile no matter what you set their doctrines to. Probably something to do with the Catholic doctrines and tenets.

It's nothing to do with Catholicism per see. It's essentially Christianity. You cannot make a custom christian faith without being at least hostile. There are one or two exceptions, but they involve both religions having certain tenets, such as Gnosticism.

Tell me more

[captain403]

Originally posted by Crazy Eight:

Originally posted by captain403:

It's nothing to do with Catholicism per see. It's essentially Christianity. You cannot make a custom christian faith without being at least hostile. There are one or two exceptions, but they involve both religions having certain tenets, such as Gnosticism.

Tell me more

There is nothing to tell, really. Because of the way Christianity is set up, you cannot create a custom faith that is considered less than hostile by Catholicism.

You can create a faith that can crusade, but you need an head of faith (preferably temporal, though having no head of faith is generally stronger, discounting crusades), AND they need the tenet 'Armed Pilgrimages'. That combo will get you 'great holy wars' aka crusades.

[Zsrai]

Originally posted by Crazy Eight:

Originally posted by captain403:

It's nothing to do with Catholicism per see. It's essentially Christianity. You cannot make a custom christian faith without being at least hostile. There are one or two exceptions, but they involve both religions having certain tenets, such as Gnosticism.

Tell me more

It's literally what I said in the post above captain's: You can't add Ecumenism to a custom faith, so you'll never be Astray to other, mainline, Christians.

Gnostics are non-Hostile to other Gnostics (anyone with the tenet), it's not Christian specific.

[CrazyEight]

So is this "Always at least Hostile" Thing specific to Christianity or does it apply it other religions as well? Muslim? Pagan?

[Super]

Originally posted by Crazy Eight:

So is this "Always at least Hostile" Thing specific to Christianity or does it apply it other religions as well? Muslim? Pagan?

I don't know,if you want to check, look at the bottom in the tab that shows the doctrins etc..
There you will observe the base of the religion the faith you're looking at comes from, for catholicism you will see the teachings of Jesus wich effectively say all faiths that are different are at least hostile and if faiths from other religions have christian syncritism they will be considered as hostile not nefast or something like that.

[CrazyEight]

Okay. After checking. Here is what i got.

-Christians will consider you hostile. Even if you are exactly the same, you are the WRONG!

-Muslims and Hindu = Astray, even when I went ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crazy with the tenets of the religion. I assume the same applies to to other religions.