How to remove any NPC that risks inbreeding when marrying people?

[Gronmor]

So yeah, question is in the title, but if I need to elaborate, here goes. For the first time in a long while of playing this game I'm getting pretty far ahead while being able to deal with any rebellions in my Empire. I also have a s**tton of living relatives, so much so in fact that, whenever I'm up to marrying my kids and grandkids and whatnot, a huge chunk of the top options gives me a "risk of inbred" warning. It's legit getting hard to find people that doesn't show that risk.

At first I thought maybe getting a "people not from my Dynasty" filter could help, but I did notice that 1- Many of those inbred risk are already not in my Dynasty for some reason; and 2- Even weirder, there are people IN my Dynasty that doesn't show that.

Still, probably the best option I have so far, but something even better would be to completely remove all the NPC with an inbred risk, and only those. Any filter that does that?

[EthanT]

None that I know of, but I can tell you after massively inbreeding my family for 500+ years in my last run, I never had a SINGLE child come out with the inbred trait.

[Heimeri Klein]

Originally posted by Gronmor:

So yeah, question is in the title, but if I need to elaborate, here goes. For the first time in a long while of playing this game I'm getting pretty far ahead while being able to deal with any rebellions in my Empire. I also have a s**tton of living relatives, so much so in fact that, whenever I'm up to marrying my kids and grandkids and whatnot, a huge chunk of the top options gives me a "risk of inbred" warning. It's legit getting hard to find people that doesn't show that risk.

At first I thought maybe getting a "people not from my Dynasty" filter could help, but I did notice that 1- Many of those inbred risk are already not in my Dynasty for some reason; and 2- Even weirder, there are people IN my Dynasty that doesn't show that.

Still, probably the best option I have so far, but something even better would be to completely remove all the NPC with an inbred risk, and only those. Any filter that does that?

heres the thing they might be of a different dynasty but that doesnt mean that they arent related to you. Example of one of my long running ck3 games with a friend we found that someone that was distantly related to both our families through one of our houses bastards founded his own house and their descendants wound up all the way in Songhai. I was the emperor of Poland, and he was the emperor of Russia. Granted there were more examples. But thats just the most interesting one I could think of.

[JC]

Have you ever thought of letting the AI also have good dynasties? One of the best ways to build a strong dynasty is do it with another. It's also a fun way to have a nice Rivalry.

I often build one or two powerful vassals and let them live in my lands. They always give me great options to marry and every now and again a fun faction to deal with.

[Gronmor]

Originally posted by JC:

Have you ever thought of letting the AI also have good dynasties? One of the best ways to build a strong dynasty is do it with another. It's also a fun way to have a nice Rivalry.

I often build one or two powerful vassals and let them live in my lands. They always give me great options to marry and every now and again a fun faction to deal with.

I mean, I had that. My kings and queens in the empire, I wasn't initially married to them. But having half a dozen cousins being born every month, well, I have to marry them SOMEWHERE! Pretty quickly I got kids in all those families. I have a friendly relationship with France, but again marriage there gets inbready...

I can find people that aren't blood related, sure, but they are often quite low in the "Relevance" or "Alliance Power" tabs, I have to go through a bunch of blood-related options before getting one that isn't, and it's annoying. I'm like, "oh, this one has inheritable trait, that's good", or "this one gives me a potential alliance, I could use that", and then try it out and "oops, risk of inbread", so I have to go back and find another option and it's annoying. And if they gonna warn me AFTER I chose them as a potential option, well, couldn't they just put in a filter?

[garthurbrown]

The only time I've had inbreds in my dynasty when I was I intentionally marry close relatives, like brothers to sister, fathers to daughters. It's very rare for 1st, let alone 2nd cousins to have inbred offspring in the game.

[Kimlin]

Once you’re empire gets larger enough or your dynasty widespread enough it’s extremely difficult to avoid marrying distant relationships. As long as you aren’t marrying immediate family, or uncles and aunts you should be fine.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

The inbred warning is always there, as long as the marriage partners share 1 common ancestor within 4 generations.

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Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Yeah the inbred chance can range from 0% to 90%, the warning is always the same.

Also note that the inbred warning is displayed based on real fathers, not the official marriage partners.

Basically ignore this warning unless marrying close family: parent/child, sibling, half-sibling, uncle/niece should always be avoided because they share too many ancestors for the game formula.


With the mandatory Blood Legacy, it is fine to regularily marry cousins - as long as you also periodically take unrelated wives every 2-3 generations, because this instantly resets the inbreeding risk (since half the ancestors are no longer identical).

Polygamy is ideal for genetic breeding, because most children will be half-siblings to begin with, so marrying a cousin or more distant related partner later on has absolutely minimal risk.

[Xi Jinping]

You should give lowborn more land than your actual family and even give them new lowborn families


1. Just stay in your capital and never give land to your family and keep them in court

2. give land to decent lowborn with decent wifes*Like giant vikings*


3. If you create 50 or more families you are reducing the chance of incest in future


If you have so much incest then you are simply giving too much land to your family not and not allowing anyone else to claim that land like

[Gronmor]

Originally posted by Xi Jinping:

You should give lowborn more land than your actual family and even give them new lowborn families


1. Just stay in your capital and never give land to your family and keep them in court

2. give land to decent lowborn with decent wifes*Like giant vikings*


3. If you create 50 or more families you are reducing the chance of incest in future


If you have so much incest then you are simply giving too much land to your family not and not allowing anyone else to claim that land like

I don't really have much incest, more like "incest risk" whenever I try to choose options for marriage.

Also, I think it has more to do with having over 600 living members of my dynasty than anything else really... Wether they're at court or not, quite difficult to NOT get people from my Dynasty as option! Then add to that the fact that people NOT in my dynasty also shows that risk once in a while... Well that causes trouble, to say the least.

Anyway, I manage. Like I said, I pay attention to when that message appear, and I can find people to whom it doesn't. All I'm asking is why there isn't a filter about this; that would be helpful!

[lazarusblack]

It's worth mentioning, that sometimes the game gets a little confused regarding the familial network. I've had the offspring of bastard children of my grandmother or great grandfather (who aren't meaningfully related to my bloodline) show as being "related" in the marriage screen.

I've had other situations in which there is no clear relation and the warning appears (makes me think it's tracking stealth bastards)

I'd not sweat it too much. As others have said, so long as it's not repeated close kin every generation, you wont become the Hapsburgs.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by lazarusblack:

It's worth mentioning, that sometimes the game gets a little confused regarding the familial network. I've had the offspring of bastard children of my grandmother or great grandfather (who aren't meaningfully related to my bloodline) show as being "related" in the marriage screen.

I've had other situations in which there is no clear relation and the warning appears (makes me think it's tracking stealth bastards)

As mentioned above, the incest warning in the marriage interface only tracks the "real father" cosanguinity, not the official fathers from the family tree.

So if there are no common ancestors within 4 generations in the family tree, this means the character is related through secret adultery.



The twist here is that you cannot figure this out without cheating (or extreme spying luck), so the blood relation may be some random guy 100 years back, or e.g. your own uncle.

[dwarfpcfan]

marry peasants, take the prestige hit, it's entirely meaningless in cost. Literally scroll down the list and find a peasant with decent skills/traits and a positive genetic inheritable trait and marry her.

If you have the blood legacy tree maxed out you'll still always get good heirs.

You never run out of peasants looking for an upgrade to their living conditions.

bonus: saves you the headaches of useless alliances to honor.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by dwarfpcfan:

marry peasants, take the prestige hit, it's entirely meaningless in cost. Literally scroll down the list and find a peasant with decent skills/traits and a positive genetic inheritable trait and marry her.

If you have the blood legacy tree maxed out you'll still always get good heirs.

You never run out of peasants looking for an upgrade to their living conditions.

bonus: saves you the headaches of useless alliances to honor.

Just be aware that the lowborns with genetic traits are usually generated pool characters, and they lose 0.1 health per year while being in the pool.