Win civil war, die, win civil war, die, win civil war die

[Bob]

whyyyyyyy

[Bob]

NO wait, Win Civil War, die, Win Civil War, Plague, Die, Win Civil War, Die, Win Civil war, plague, die, plague, plague, win civil war, die

[pauloandrade224]

Originally posted by Bob:

NO wait, Win Civil War, die, Win Civil War, Plague, Die, Win Civil War, Die, Win Civil war, plague, die, plague, plague, win civil war, die

what in the world is happening in your game???

mine is like spawn in start taking lands from others and blob until im bored or something.

sometimes lose too but not like that

[Danny]

Civil wars on succession is the result of poor realm management.
A good ruler can prevent that just fine.

Upon succession it's: Funeral for late ruler, Coronation if applicable and then a Feast if needed. Otherwise a pilgrimage.
That should stop most vassals from joining factions.

If you still have civil wars after that, use that to revoke titles from unruly vassals and hand out said titles to more content and loyal vassals.

[Bob]

I got west France, England, Scotland, Wales and parts of Norway and Ireland. My heir by the time he/she inherits is about 40 and spends 5-10 years beating detractors and peasants. I've tried appeasing the vassals but as soon as the liege dies. Vassals wants the emperor title. Usually my heirs army can best them but I waste so many years chasing rebels round and round the mountains of Norway. This sprinkled along with plagues, random earthquakes in Scotland? That kills my liege lol wtf.

[brownacs]

Originally posted by Bob:

I got west France, England, Scotland, Wales and parts of Norway and Ireland. My heir by the time he/she inherits is about 40 and spends 5-10 years beating detractors and peasants. I've tried appeasing the vassals but as soon as the liege dies. Vassals wants the emperor title. Usually my heirs army can best them but I waste so many years chasing rebels round and round the mountains of Norway. This sprinkled along with plagues, random earthquakes in Scotland? That kills my liege lol wtf.

Something you might wanna consider, on top of Danny's advice, is staggering your rulers a bit. I like to wait until they're 40-50 to have kids, which means you're then not getting 50-year-old heirs, and you're getting longer with each ruler. The exception to this - and the other thing I'm wondering whether you're doing - is if I'm still at the breeding in traits stage. You then want to get through the generations relatively rapidly, so you can end up with a genetic superhuman.

Even just doing that (the breeding program) should be enough to remove most of your issues with vassals - the combo of beautiful and genius is going to give you +10 to diplomacy - but if you're still having them then some +diplomacy and/or virtuous traits can also be a good way to get higher opinion out of the gate. On top of that, the +200% opinion from gifts perk in the diplomacy lifestyle is very handy if you've got a high diplo stat; +200 opinion from one gift is totally doable.

The other approach (the first boiling down essentially to: make your vassals like you) would be to have a few vassals with whom you make sure you have alliances. In your case, you could create a situation where all the kingdoms have kings (or queens), which would then probably let you maintain alliances with most if not all of them, meaning they couldn't rebel. This'll get you a tidy amount of renown after a little while if the vassal monarchs are from your dynasty. There's also nothing to stop you from mixing and matching a bit.

[Razorblade]

Originally posted by Bob:

I got west France, England, Scotland, Wales and parts of Norway and Ireland. My heir by the time he/she inherits is about 40 and spends 5-10 years beating detractors and peasants. I've tried appeasing the vassals but as soon as the liege dies. Vassals wants the emperor title. Usually my heirs army can best them but I waste so many years chasing rebels round and round the mountains of Norway. This sprinkled along with plagues, random earthquakes in Scotland? That kills my liege lol wtf.

It takes 80 Opinion to make someone leave a Faction, and they could still be forced back in by a Hook. That is to say, you're not going to appease your vassals as any decently-sized realm.

What you need to do is to make alliances and delegate your titles more. Allied vassals and indirect vassals cannot be in factions against you. So, hand out some of those kingdom titles to limit your number of direct vassals, and marry into the families of your most powerful direct vassals to prevent them from rebelling. At that point, if you're still suffering rebellions, you either didn't have enough children, didn't hand out enough titles, or had too few Men-At-Arms.

Rarely, an exceptionally bad plague or compounding injuries will kill your ruler early, and you'll have a succession crisis, but under normal circumstances, Factions reaching their revolt threshhold is entirely, deterministically preventable.

[brownacs]

Originally posted by Razorblade:

It takes 80 Opinion to make someone leave a Faction, and they could still be forced back in by a Hook. That is to say, you're not going to appease your vassals as any decently-sized realm.

... you definitely can appease your vassals as a decently-sized realm. Hell, you can still do it with -200 opinion from tyranny. Also, I suspect you know this, but characters forced to join with a hook will leave when the character who forced them to join leaves, so if all your vassals have 80+ opinion, you should no longer get any vassal factions.

[Razorblade]

Originally posted by brownacs:

... you definitely can appease your vassals as a decently-sized realm. Hell, you can still do it with -200 opinion from tyranny. Also, I suspect you know this, but characters forced to join with a hook will leave when the character who forced them to join leaves, so if all your vassals have 80+ opinion, you should no longer get any vassal factions.

How much gold are you regularly sitting on that you have bribes prepared for dozens of vassals right after succession? Moreover, how are those bribes overcoming a -200 opinion malus?

I was not suggesting it is completely impossible with certain, very specific strategies to come out of the womb being beloved by everyone, but the average player is not going to be in a situation where their heir has all of the best genetic traits and virtues, with all the correct dynasty legacies and perk choices. That is not a situation our noob OP is going realistically to find themself in.

[brownacs]

Originally posted by Razorblade:

How much gold are you regularly sitting on that you have bribes prepared for dozens of vassals right after succession? Moreover, how are those bribes overcoming a -200 opinion malus?

I was not suggesting it is completely impossible with certain, very specific strategies to come out of the womb being beloved by everyone, but the average player is not going to be in a situation where their heir has all of the best genetic traits and virtues, with all the correct dynasty legacies and perk choices. That is not a situation our noob OP is going realistically to find themself in.

You don't need much gold without the -200. Just having a few hereditary traits (ideally genius and beautiful, or, less ideally, lesser versions of those two) and some virtuous and/or +diplomacy personality traits should get you most of the way there on succession. Maybe throw in a feast for good measure. You might still need a bribe or two, but needing dozens would be unlikely. You could probably achieve this by the 3rd or 4th generation relatively consistently, and the 1st generation's unlikely to have many issues with factions, meaning you'd only really be likely to have some faction struggles with your 2nd (maybe 3rd) ruler.

To be fair to your point(s), I am assuming we have 'Wards and Wardens', so we can bank, if you will, some of the better personality traits we get via RNG. Without that, getting the better personality traits consistently is going to be a lot less likely.

Overcoming the -200 will require a lot more bonus stacking (the biggest will come from having a near cap diplomacy stat and the +100% opinion from gifts diplo perk, which will often give +200 on its own), but it is definitely doable.

Is getting good traits, both personality and genetic, a specific strategy? I figured that was kinda a given after a few generations, which seems to be the OP's situation. Admittedly, the strategies that'd near guarantee getting them are maybe a bit more advanced (expanding the breeding program and removing unwanted heirs without the traits we're looking for), but even without those, you'd have a good chance of having fairly high base average opinion by the 4th generation I'd think.

Just so we're clear, I'm not disagreeing with your advice (I gave my own version of it in the 3rd paragraph of the post above yours), but I did find the statement I responded to overly exaggerative.

[Devil_JCS]

To add to the advice others have given, one of the very first perks you can get from the diplo lifestyle tree gives you the befriend scheme. That scheme is pathetically easy to gain access to if you have grand weddings. If you're given the option to get a free diplo perk unlock, TAKE IT. You can also just hobnob with people that have diplo lifestyle perks for free exp and get it that way too.

(side note; if you have the Fate of Iberia DLC and pick one of those cultures, they have access to the befriend scheme by default. Quite handy tbh)

Reason why I bring this up is that friends can't join factions against you. Have a troublesome vassal? Get their opinion up a bit and use a befriend scheme. If it succeeds, that problem is dealt with. Alliances also have this effect. Skilled use of both puts an end to most factions before it becomes a problem.

[Go0lden_Archer]

Make sure your vassals love you before you current ruler dies, make sure to make them obedient/placated. And when they die, go for the funeral to get legitimacy+opinion, and then coronation if your legitimacy is still low, and to get rid of uncrowned. That is usually more then sufficient.

Or better yet, piss them the hell off, and make them start that war with the new heir, you win it, toss them all in prison, and grant them pardons. loyalty hooks for life, plus lots of prestige farmed straight off the bat.

The second option is only with Recognition of Talent tho, but its hella fun specially with mods that give you battle events.

[Delta-Kilo]

Originally posted by Go0lden_Archer:

Make sure your vassals love you before you current ruler dies, make sure to make them obedient/placated. And when they die, go for the funeral to get legitimacy+opinion, and then coronation if your legitimacy is still low, and to get rid of uncrowned. That is usually more then sufficient.

Or better yet, piss them the hell off, and make them start that war with the new heir, you win it, toss them all in prison, and grant them pardons. loyalty hooks for life, plus lots of prestige farmed straight off the bat.

The second option is only with Recognition of Talent tho, but its hella fun specially with mods that give you battle events.

The above advice that the quoted (as well as previous posters gave) is solid. if you still find you have issues once you've followed their recommendations, you'll have to dig deeper into details. Do you hold counites that are part of their de jure duchies/kingdoms. Give it to them. Are they religious minorities? Sic your cleric on them. The game is kind and gives you loads of info as to why folks are doing what they do. You really just have to click on them and look.