is it bad splitting my kingdom between my sons?

[De makker van nassau]

i am currently playing as sigurd and am the king of denmark and i first wanted to wait for my king to die and only have 1 son that inherits all but i now got more sons cuz i wanted to spread my dynasty but i can't royal marry them off to somewhere els cuz almost nobody wants to accept so will i get any bad side affects when my kingdom gets shared between my sons?

[DeadRabbit]

You play however you want man. If you need to, you could always just plot to kill your brother and inherit the kingdom (Or attack, as you should have a claim). This games about making your own stories and playing how you want, not min-maxing everything (unless that's how you enjoy the game).

[De makker van nassau]

Originally posted by DeadRabbit:

You play however you want man. If you need to, you could always just plot to kill your brother and inherit the kingdom (Or attack, as you should have a claim). This games about making your own stories and playing how you want, not min-maxing everything (unless that's how you enjoy the game).

well i mean i am the king of denmark wich would mean that my heir would also be the king of denmark so that would mean that my brothers would become vassals i just don't want my army to be weakend in this

[BLAME! 40K]

If you ask on a technical lvl , depends on the claims they inherit . Like if both have a diffrent kingdom title , as if your kingdom of denmark has another kingdom in it , its split as 2 diffrent nations , if now 1 would die without children , its the great kingdom of denmark again. If 1 gets king and all other claims are minor as king , he will become your vassal

[De makker van nassau]

Originally posted by BLAME! 40K:

If you ask on a technical lvl , depends on the claims they inherit . Like if both have a diffrent kingdom title , as if your kingdom of denmark has another kingdom in it , its split as 2 diffrent nations , if now 1 would die without children , its the great kingdom of denmark again. If 1 gets king and all other claims are minor as king , he will become your vassal

oh well thats good for me cuz i only got 1 kingdom

[Dutchgamer1982]

Well it depends on your goal..

Some want to expand their dynastry as far as they can and care little for direct control.

Some want to expand their faith or remove a certain faith from the map

Some go for world domination.. Or a least a very big empire..

Some focus more on genetics, from the perfect heir, to full on alabama and everything in between..

Some merely sandbox.. Not caring for any endgame goal..

It depends greatly what your goal is.. if fracturing is a problem..
-if you want a large empire/world, domination.. It is.. If not, less so.

If you want to prevent fracturing.. You can use the games mechanics to your benefit.
-ofcourse you want primogenure asap but that likely will only be available to you in your 3d generarion at best.. so before primogenure is available to you.. you myst work around the bad splitting thing..

Mechanics are as follows
*you cannot gift titles to a child that does not stand to inherit them.
*your primary title will always be given to your main heir
*the capital county of your realm will always be given to your main heir
*the de jure capital county of your realm will always be given to your main heir
*all baron titles will be given to the person getting the count title.
*dutchy, king and emperor titles can be delited
*you cannot have baronies in your borders you do not own the county off
*baron vassals do not count towards your vassal limit
*duke, king and emperor titles do not count towards your title limit.

Ok now how you use this :

*while you cannot give away titles they cannot inherit you can ofcourse
-if you have no kids yet.. give titles you fear to loose to a random female in your realm and have your first son marry to that female.
-if your first kid or second kid is a daughter, same thing.. give the titles to her.. marry her to your eldest son...

-> that way things skip a generation but merge into 1 realm in the 3d generation.

Other ways of managing this :

*as a count.. try to obtain a single duke title.. it will prevent your realm fracturing.

*as a duke or higher.. if you own more than 1 title of your current rang... delite all but 1.. it will cause unhappy vassals.. but your realm will stay whole.

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if you do the above you will loose titles to other children.. but at least you managed to keep your realm together.. to keep as much direct control as possible

#1 have your capital county be something else than your de jure county
#2 own besides your primary title the county title for both your de jure capital county and your realm capital county.. any barony titles inside those 2 counties also.
=> this will never get split.. and passed on just fine.. giving you a powerbase to work from.

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#3 it is better to have direct vassals, than indirect
every layer of vassals will take it's cut... so having counts as vassals is way better than duke vassals. and king vassals are an even worse deal.. so only keep as many duke or king titles arount as neccecary to remain under your vassal limit.. destroy any king and duke titles you not need.

#4 utilise shifting.. if you own only 1 empire and 1 kingdom title without any king vassals.. eventually all dutchies will shift into that same kingdom and empire..

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once you do got primogenure :

*you can now safely keep as many king and empire titles as you want, they do not count towards your title limit.
-for roleplaying reasons you might want to try to still shift everything into 1 kingdom and 1 empire. but there really is no reason.. if you delite the king and/or emperor title, all dukes under it will pay you 50% less tax and levies until their duchy has shifted into yours (and that only happens for duchies and kingdoms bordering your current kingdom/empire and takes 100 years to happen)

*you want to relocate your capital to your de jure capital.. and give away all baron titles you own, you do need to keep your de jure capital county.. but you can give away the former capital county if have to.

*for your 2 duchies.. just pick the most proftiable ones to own.. if they are in kingdoms/empires of titles you just destroyed, even better as that removes that penalty for those 2 dutchies.

*try to own all count titles in some other duchy, that allows you to destroy that duke title without consequences now, and if done right you can take control of 2-4 more dutchies this way.

[AlienWired]

If you die and you play one of your sons, you can go to war with them after making a claim and gain the: Bad Blood achievment.
(Go to war with one of your siblings over a Claim)

[De makker van nassau]

Originally posted by AlienWired:

If you die and you play one of your sons, you can go to war with them after making a claim and gain the: Bad Blood achievment.
(Go to war with one of your siblings over a Claim)

sadly i am not on ironman mode and also i can't attack my own vassals and most likely my siblings will be my vassals after my current king dies

[De makker van nassau]

Originally posted by AlienWired:

If you die and you play one of your sons, you can go to war with them after making a claim and gain the: Bad Blood achievment.
(Go to war with one of your siblings over a Claim)

btw do you happen to know how i can inherit a entirely diffrent kingdom? though royal marriges or.....?

[AlienWired]

I've been trying to inherit a kingdom forever.... Only one time playing Crusader Kings 2, I inherited an entire empire through marriage, I had an unbelievable amount of counties in my empire, most of Germany, Italy, France and a large part of Iberian peninsula.

Then my wife killed me poisoned me and I had no heirs.

(Game Over)

[De makker van nassau]

Originally posted by AlienWired:

I've been trying to inherit a kingdom forever.... Only one time playing Crusader Kings 2, I inherited an entire empire through marriage, I had an unbelievable amount of counties in my empire, most of Germany, Italy, France and a large part of Iberian peninsula.

Then my wife killed me poisoned me and I had no heirs.

(Game Over)

P A I N

[AlienWired]

One of my most enjoyable gaming strategies with Crusader Kings 2 is to become a Satanist, sacrifice my wife, once I get an heir or two..... and then play the field. I ended up with like 20 kids that way one time, and recognized all of them, turned some of them into Satanists themselves.... >=-)

If you have a REALLY high Intrique, you can sacrifice nearly at will... Including rival rulers heirs..... I have a Pope that I turned into a Satanist sit on the Papal throne. LOL! It's an achievement.

Until they add some patches there is a LOT of stuff that you simply can't do in CK3 that you can in CK2 that makes CK2 WAY more fun to play, sometimes. So we must wait for new content to happen.

Like one of the things you can do in CK2 that you can't in CK3?

Give the Pope one of your counties. So, like, what I do is play East Anglia, and then give the Pope one of my titles in East Anglia, and make him an ally, so that when the Vikings come, the Vikings are VERY unlikely to declare war on you. =)

Then you can convince him to join your "Secret Satan club". =)

[De makker van nassau]

Originally posted by AlienWired:

One of my most enjoyable gaming strategies with Crusader Kings 2 is to become a Satanist, sacrifice my wife, once I get an heir or two..... and then play the field. I ended up with like 20 kids that way one time, and recognized all of them, turned some of them into Satanists themselves.... >=-)

wait can you even become satanist in ck3?

[AlienWired]

You can convert to nearly any religion. I don't recall if you can convert to Satanism... I don't recall seeing it.

But, I have Created a ruler that was Jewish, one time Muslim, and one time Greek Ortho and allied with Byzantine, in Brittany...

As a Jew I was hated and it was EXTREMELY hard to play and no one wants to ally with you.

As a Muslim it was the same, but, the Muslims in the Iberian Pen. will ally with you, but, they are weak compared to the Francs and then a Holy War gets declared against you, or rebellion happens, and you just get your ass kicked.

The game robbed me on the Ortho Greek, somehow the King of the Byz empire who I was ally with, died 50 years earlier and the princess that I was going to marry just "disappeared" as if she didn't exist.(I think it is a bug or something), but, it was all after I declared war against Francia which would have brought the Byz empire into my war as an ally, I was about to kick some MAJOR ass in HRE! But I just got crushed because my ally disappeared..... somehow.

[AlienWired]

Other cool thing you can do as a Satanist?

Possess people, drive them nuts, avoid death, like, the more power you achieve, you can sacrifice children and steal their life.