The shy trait is unbalanced and way too negative.

[LFA]

It's got no decent advantage as far as I can tell and will cause massive amount of stress to your character.

Even a basic option like Sway will give your character 30/100 stress or something.
Sway is a very basic action in the game that you need to use all the time.
On top of that, feasts will not decrease stress and might actually increase it depending on the event.
The problem is stress doesn't go down over time (which it probably should)
And there's not enough activities to remove stress

I think swaying shouldn't inflict stress at all and maybe reduce the stress gain for any and all social interaction your character has

[BaCaz]

You need to learn to play around it. I.e if you decline a feast invitation you actually loose stress or educate your child to avoid it.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1158310/discussions/0/2963894618474047126/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1158310/discussions/search/?q=shy&gidforum=1608274347725737384&include_deleted=1

[LFA]

Originally posted by BaCaz:

You need to learn to play around it. I.e if you decline a feast invitation you actually loose stress or educate your child to avoid it.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1158310/discussions/0/2963894618474047126/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1158310/discussions/search/?q=shy&gidforum=1608274347725737384&include_deleted=1

I think Paradox should lower stress gain from being shy, it's seriously not balanced

[Razorblade]

Originally posted by LFA:

Originally posted by BaCaz:

You need to learn to play around it. I.e if you decline a feast invitation you actually loose stress or educate your child to avoid it.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1158310/discussions/0/2963894618474047126/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1158310/discussions/search/?q=shy&gidforum=1608274347725737384&include_deleted=1

I think Paradox should lower stress gain from being shy, it's seriously not balanced

It's not supposed to be balanced. Crusader Kings is about roleplaying, not getting big numbers.

[Twelvefield]

There's not enough activities to reduce stress because you are an autocrat. That's what's supposed to happen to autocrats, they either are murdered or forced to capitulate, or they stress out.

With Shy trait, you can lose stress by avoiding feasts. That's really big right there. You also get a boost to Learning which fast-tracks you down one of the most powerful personality trees. You also get personal protection against Intrigue attacks, which helps your friendly neighbourhood Spymaster.

You have to avoid social interactions, so it's not good to go Intrigue if you are Shy. That makes sense, since Intrigue is very personal. Diplomacy won't be easy, either, but it is manageable. But nothing stops you from going Martial or Stewardship, you could really clean up there. And of course, Education. With the Learning boost, you could form your own Religion. You will at least have the potential for a longer life and have smarter children.

[Dutchgamer1982]

shy in this game is way over the top.
-they made it be like autism on stereoids...
as such they just gave it the wrong name..

while in reality shy.. is kinda cute...
it means you are introvert... but it does not mean one has no social skills or is stressed by every social thing.. it merely means you likely just are the quit person that has to be ASKED to come to the party.. and to dance.. and that is more likely to listen than to speak.. but if others take the lead.. they can still very much enjoy social interaction...

would blackmail cause stress to a shy person.. yes sure, it would cause anybody stress and introverts are less likely to defend themselves against it or find a person to talk about it making them a silent sufferer of this harm..

but inviting to court NOPE, they would be fine with that.
and swaying.. ditto. also fine with that.

[CrUsHeR]

Traits are meant to be unbalanced and negative.

Take a ruler who is Shy and Lazy, he cannot lose stress from feasts nor from hunting. This is something you need to prevent under all circumstances by educating at least your first two sons yourself.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by Dutchgamer1982:

while in reality shy.. is kinda cute...
it means you are introvert...

Shy and introvert are regarded as two very different things nowadays.

Introvert, probably the vast majority of great historical figures in science, art and politics - like Albert Einstein - fall into this category. An introvert person is mostly busy thinking about stuff, which can yield amazing results if paired with a brilliant mind.
So the introvert person may not have a lack of social competence, but rather more important things to do. In fact the introverts are also often charismatic socializers, comedians or even rhetorics, if their mood and schedule allows it.

Shy just means that a person can't stand interacting with people, is insecure about himself to the point of collapsing in everyday situations. Probably like an instinct to flee from any social confrontation.

Also, neither are to be confused with shame, which generally means that there is something specific (real or imaginary) causing a person to avoid certain social situations.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Originally posted by Dutchgamer1982:

while in reality shy.. is kinda cute...
it means you are introvert...

Shy and introvert are regarded as two very different things nowadays.

Introvert, probably the vast majority of great historical figures in science, art and politics - like Albert Einstein - fall into this category. An introvert person is mostly busy thinking about stuff, which can yield amazing results if paired with a brilliant mind.
So the introvert person may not have a lack of social competence, but rather more important things to do. In fact the introverts are also often genuine socializers and comedians, if their mood and schedule allows it.

Shy just means that a person can't stand interacting with people, is insecure about himself to the point of collapsing in everyday situations. Probably like an instinct to flee from any social confrontation.

Also, neither are to be confused with shame, which generally means that there is something specific (real or imaginary) causing a person to avoid certain social situations.

When I think of shy.. The typical immage that comes to mind is a blushing girl..

Like you give her a flower.. And she sais nothing.. Just blushes.. Face and shoulders to the ground.. Perhaps even fleeinh away..

Another example : i loved being on stage.. Others freeze.. Some may feel uncomfortable being the center of attention, but many just have to learn to "thaw"

So a shy person may blush and maybe even hide if you give them conpliments, affection or honour.. But once thawn they do like it.

You are right to a degree that a shy person does not have to ne introvert (once thawn they can be extrovert im some situations) but usually they are.

"Wallflower" would be another defeniton of shy
As are timid and coy.

A person hating social intetaction to the point strangers and groups give them stress thats not shy thats borderline or autism.. and a bad type at it.

[Thor's Wrath]

Originally posted by Razorblade:

Originally posted by LFA:

I think Paradox should lower stress gain from being shy, it's seriously not balanced

It's not supposed to be balanced. Crusader Kings is about roleplaying, not getting big numbers.

I think what is meant by "balanced" is agaisnt other, similar negative traits. Because the game mechanics is all around interacting with other pple, shy is just about the worse trait ever in this game. Even paranoid (which is an actual mental disease) is better than shy.

Want to invite a knight? Stress gain.
Invite a title claimant? Stress gain.
Sway? Feast to increase opinion of vassals? Stress gain.

I would propose adding autistic and making shy milder.

[EA Latium]

This is another point of view: The "Shy" Trait - Thanks, PDX![forum.paradoxplaza.com]

Originally posted by Razorblade:

It's not supposed to be balanced. Crusader Kings is about roleplaying, not getting big numbers.

^This.

[pauloandrade224]

Originally posted by EA Latium:

This is another point of view: The "Shy" Trait - Thanks, PDX![forum.paradoxplaza.com]

Originally posted by Razorblade:

It's not supposed to be balanced. Crusader Kings is about roleplaying, not getting big numbers.

^This.

Waittt so im not supposed to control all of europe as portugal making 300 + money a month while having a 120K army and 15 k OP men at arms???....

Darn must be playing wrong then Kappa.

Im joking btw i mean no harm or similar :)

[Jack Niggleson]

Originally posted by LFA:

It's got no decent advantage as far as I can tell and will cause massive amount of stress to your character.

Even a basic option like Sway will give your character 30/100 stress or something.
Sway is a very basic action in the game that you need to use all the time.
On top of that, feasts will not decrease stress and might actually increase it depending on the event.
The problem is stress doesn't go down over time (which it probably should)
And there's not enough activities to remove stress

I think swaying shouldn't inflict stress at all and maybe reduce the stress gain for any and all social interaction your character has

Hey, at least it's not as worthless as "just," the trait that inflicts massive stress if you so much as look at another character with ill intent. Possibly the worst ruler trait in the entire game.

[Folder Door]

As a shy person i say that the trait is very fair, some aspects of life are kinda hard when you are too shy.

[(Sheep)TacoTuesday]

I think shy is a little too punishing, I mean being shy doesn't mean you are so deathly afraid of talking to others that going to a feast causes a mental breakdown. I mean I probably would be a little stressed, but nothing to how this game likes to exagerate it

[Archer the Bowless]

People...A feast wouldn't be just some silly party. Even with all the merrymaking, a shy character would have a hell of a time. These are rulers holding these feasts, for their other ruler friends. Everything that goes into them, all the formalities would cause a shy ruler plenty of stress.
I avoid shy like the plague, my heirs must be watched so they don't get it. It's happened though and I love it. I really do have to play differently, or be doomed to stress.

I had a ruler get a lot done who was shy. He eventually became a lunatic due to the stress in his 40's and then had a heart attack. Was awesome. I managed through a lot but towards the end the stress kept piling up so much, I felt the impending doom.

A shy and lazy heir would be swiftly sent to a monastery, Only a childs 3 traits are in place, I then decide about passing them off to a more suited educator. Until then I watch over heirs so their traits don't go into those very hard places. However like mentioned, shy does have the upside of keeping you that little bit safer from plots.