Found a New Kingdom vs Creating a Kingdom title

[NorPhi]

I am playing as Tuscanny, won the independence war against the HRE, converted to Adamitism (because holy wars feuding hippies are funny to me). I now need to found a kingdom to keep my realm together before good Mathilda kicks it. The Kingdom of Italy is out of question because the other two duchies somehow managed to get themselves some pretty strong allies, Venice on the other hand was free for grabs. I was saving for creating the Kingdom of Venice but now the game informed me that I can found a new kingdom turning all my duchies into de jury territories.

I am wondering now, if there is some major catch to founding a new kingdom. Adopting a special succession type when I founded Ireland looked like a great deal too but came back to bite me very fast.

[Skill Less]

forming a "new kingdom" is a alternative option to the real kingdoms. if you don't have the correct tiles for a real kingdom you can still found one. but it is more expensive. same for high kingdoms / empires

[NorPhi]

Yes, but does this have any events connected that could backfire? I went for Venice because I was in a pickle but getting all my duchies into one kingdom sounds like a much better deal than going for Venice and Integrating stuff.

[Skill Less]

I did not encounter any events at all.

Are you sure you can found a kingdom with venice? it is a republic and this type of hold is locked for the player.

[Flyan!]

It's more expensive to create a kingdom, and I don't think any counties will start as de jure territory.

[NorPhi]

Originally posted by Skill Less:

Are you sure you can found a kingdom with venice? it is a republic and this type of hold is locked for the player.

I play with the title destruction setting set to total. Once a character holds no de jure land of a title anymore the title is destroyed. This is also applies for the Kingdom of Venice. I conquered Veneto and Venezia and the titles Duchy of Venice and Kingdom of Venice were free to be created again. I though this would be a neat way to give my primary heir a Kingdom and prevent the realm from falling apart (my queen has learning one and her spouse is a genius, you know what they say about dumb girls ).

However, Venice is one of the smallest Kingdoms in the game, with only two counties and de jure part of the Byzantine Empire. I don't really fancy that blob having a war goal on me...

What Empire would be atop of a new found Kingdom? I plan on eventually reforming the Roman Empire in this play through, so I don't want to found something new just to discover that I limited my option by doing that.

Originally posted by Flyan!:

It's more expensive to create a kingdom, and I don't think any counties will start as de jure territory.

It says all current Duchies will be de jure. Which sounds like a great deal. Less gold than forming an existing empire and integration of hold titles. That's why I though there's something fishy....

[Bahrman74]

Your created kingdom would be dejure part of whatever empire it was in. I made my own kingdom inside the dejure empire of russia and was able to create Russia just fine. Rome being an event creation should be fine too.

[NorPhi]

Ok, I ended up getting quite a bit of money from conquering parts of Sardinia, ransoming the captives and some lucky events. Enough to create all the missing duchies in my empire and still had enough left to found my own kingdom. Now that I've looked at a few thing I've to say, this option is hopelessly overpowered and probably should be reworked. My new Kingdom of Tuscany soaked up 7 Duchies and removed all the de jure duchies from several of the smaller Italian Kingdoms that were used for the City states. Duchies that I hold but were de jure part of another (existing) kingdom got removed and added to mine, effectively removing their claims.

This probably needs a nerf on form of disputed de jure state. Something were a duchy is de jure part of both kingdoms but not required for forming.