Stabilising realm fast upon succession

[SpetsTheHollow]

Vassal opinion always goes down when my ruler dies and i play as my heir. The worse case is when the heir is still a child. Factions keep popping up either to install someone on the throne or to get independence. Is there any way to consolidate the realm fast and avoid the faction problem altogether (except using diplo lifestyle)?

[Kajsa_Kavat]

Gaining some dread can help you.

[Jotun]

War. Win. Prison. Mass executions and title revocations.

And if you can't win the war, just take the blow. Ideally, you want the previous ruler to have made you a stack of cash to buy mercenaries to win the war. Otherwise just sway, have a high diplo heir and a high diplo spouse and a high diplo counselor... which might progressively de-escalate the situation. It's impossible to do as a kid though (low diplo and no spouse).

[SpetsTheHollow]

Originally posted by Jotun:

War. Win. Prison. Mass executions and title revocations.

And if you can't win the war, just take the blow. Ideally, you want the previous ruler to have made you a stack of cash to buy mercenaries to win the war. Otherwise just sway, have a high diplo heir and a high diplo spouse and a high diplo counselor... which might progressively de-escalate the situation. It's impossible to do as a kid though (low diplo and no spouse).

Aight gotchu. Everything is going really smoothly for me except the transition from one ruler to another. I'll try this.

[JuX]

Spouse with high diplomacy skill and little bit of sway and bribes.

[Tom37]

Also don't forget to set Chancellor to improve internal relations.

[Jotun]

Also, in my experience, the uncles are almost always the problem. Siblings are usually ok because they are usually young too and need time to settle themselves. But the well established uncles that want to take your stuff? They are the worst!

[dulany67]

Win the coming war. When your vassals revolt, they do not raise armies in a central location. Raise your armies and try to snipe one of the vassals to remove them from the war. Even as a child, if you have brothers and sisters you can betroth them to gain alliances- in which case you can move off and wait for them to show up. If you have a reasonable chance to imprison one of the soon-to-be revolting vassals that will reduce their numbers, as well.

If the power of the faction is not overwhelming, you can try to lower crown authority and place some or all of them on the council to lower their dislike.

As a child, it may come to simply accepting that the realm will split up and you need to be patient until you come of age and then re-consolidate over time.

[MathCoffee]

If you saved up enough money it helps to throw a feast right away. You will get +20 to everybody, maybe more depending on what events fire.

[Team Triss]

Originally posted by Jotun:

Ideally, you want the previous ruler to have made you a stack of cash to buy mercenaries to win the war.

Stacks of cash? Are we playing the same game?

[Erebus]

You should be granting your newly conquered lands to loyal (and skilled) courtiers with a growing family of heirs that are not landed. Once a game year or so I go into the character finder then marry (matri for the women) all my courtiers. And I make sure the kids get a good education focus and tutor when they turn 6. This means a 100 years into the game I have 100 or so courtiers at any given time to fill the roles of champions, vassals, and council members. z

This keeps you from losing lands to inheritance and making for you have great vassals to throw on the council.

As far as succession goes, tribal realms auto create titles. No way around that. So you should be creating every title possible so you are getting the prestige. Then to to keep your core domain in your capital duchy you conquer and new duchy for every child. Give them a title or two there and the duchy. You should have a kingdom before your first ruler dies. Because they have a duchy they are removed from the succession line. Because you have a kingdom they stay in your realm.

Now for the final step. Use your prestige from creating titles to change your kingdom succession laws. You have to do it for each individual kingdom you have. If you are a religious head do it for your religious title as well.

Because you have been conquering, gaining prestige, holding feasts, swaying, and planning your vassals out ahead of time so you have avoided tyranny, and most likely have dread from executions, you vassals will all vote exactly the same as you. Pick you favorite kid. Vote for him for all titles. He will get all your kingdoms, your religious title, and if you play the "give every kid their own duchy game" every title in your main and secondary duchy.

I've been through three succession and never lost a single county and kept 6 fully upgraded tribal counties in my main duchy.

[Erebus]

That is my cover all post that tends to help. For your exact situation. Farm dread. Have saved money from your daddy. And make sure you are keeping the most domain as possible. My wife is always an amazing steward for that reason. I have went through three succession from the Jamatland? start beneath upland and had all 6 of the counties in the duchy at each heirs starts. First ruler just raids and raids and build all upgrades. I have 2500 man at arms alone and 20k total levies on my second ruler.

[Commodus]

Does imprisoning and executing people actually work? i did that once and it made everyone very unhappy:/:(

Oh so its best to give titles to courtiers then marry your family members to them? I thought family members that had titles generated more legacy points? (new to CK:P)

[SpetsTheHollow]

Originally posted by Aresmar:

You should be granting your newly conquered lands to loyal (and skilled) courtiers with a growing family of heirs that are not landed. Once a game year or so I go into the character finder then marry (matri for the women) all my courtiers. And I make sure the kids get a good education focus and tutor when they turn 6. This means a 100 years into the game I have 100 or so courtiers at any given time to fill the roles of champions, vassals, and council members. z

This keeps you from losing lands to inheritance and making for you have great vassals to throw on the council.

As far as succession goes, tribal realms auto create titles. No way around that. So you should be creating every title possible so you are getting the prestige. Then to to keep your core domain in your capital duchy you conquer and new duchy for every child. Give them a title or two there and the duchy. You should have a kingdom before your first ruler dies. Because they have a duchy they are removed from the succession line. Because you have a kingdom they stay in your realm.

Now for the final step. Use your prestige from creating titles to change your kingdom succession laws. You have to do it for each individual kingdom you have. If you are a religious head do it for your religious title as well.

Because you have been conquering, gaining prestige, holding feasts, swaying, and planning your vassals out ahead of time so you have avoided tyranny, and most likely have dread from executions, you vassals will all vote exactly the same as you. Pick you favorite kid. Vote for him for all titles. He will get all your kingdoms, your religious title, and if you play the "give every kid their own duchy game" every title in your main and secondary duchy.

I've been through three succession and never lost a single county and kept 6 fully upgraded tribal counties in my main duchy.

Could you explain the part where you marry off your courtiers so you don't lose land to people outside your realm?

[Jotun]

Originally posted by LoR Team Triss:

Originally posted by Jotun:

Ideally, you want the previous ruler to have made you a stack of cash to buy mercenaries to win the war.

Stacks of cash? Are we playing the same game?

As a tribal it should be reasonably easy. As feudal it might be more difficult but just start to go full stewardship with golden obligations perk when you hit 50 or so and rake in the money by blackmailing vassals (which then are poorer and therefore can't hire mercenaries).

[Berserkerface]

1 - Hold a feast for the opinion buff
2 - Send 'gifts' to you most powerful vassals and any who have positive opinions in schemes
3 - Make sure you are using your spouse's diplomacy buff
3 - Switch to diplomacy lifestyle and unlock 'befriend' (Seriously, its an insanely powerful perk and should be higher up on that tree).
4 - Target the most powerful vassals taking part in factions with 'befriend'
5 - Grant troublesome counts to dukes and troublesome dukes to kings. Let your vassals deal with their BS.

Also before this make sure you have a LOT of gold for bribes and I always educate my children with guardians with very high diplomacy. I also marry wit diplomacy in mind. I never have succession wars, just a bit of whack-a-mole with undermining factions by making everyone my best friend (Can backfire with stress if a bunch of these friends all die around the same time)