My heir is not getting the kingdom Captial or primary title at succession.

[Kazden Soza]

My heir gets a few dumpy countys and the King title. According to the succession laws the Player Heir get the Realm Captial, primary title and any de jure with it. So why does my player heir lose the realm captial, primary title and the de jures with it? Am I missing something?

[Arson]

JaggedyJack님이 먼저 게시:

My heir gets a few dumpy countys and the King title. According to the succession laws the Player Heir get the Realm Captial, primary title and any de jure with it. So why does my player heir lose the realm captial, primary title and the de jures with it? Am I missing something?

You're going to have to give some specifics about what is happening. A screenshot of the succession page would be most helpful.

Is the king title you're saying your heir gets not your primary title?

[Kazden Soza]

I unfortunately don't have a screenshot but the best way to describe it is that I have enacted the "Partition" succession law and the 3rd level of "Crown Authority" I am the King of Ireland with the election of my heir done by vassel vote. My capital city is Dublin and other than being King of Ireland the primary title is Petty King of Meath.

The problem was that my heir did not inherit Dublin the capital of the Kingdom of Ireland or the petty Kingdrom of Meath which I selected to by my primary title. These went to his older brother for some reason.


I worked around this by imprisoning my son that in my opinion was unlawfully taking these titles before my death so i could just revoke them once my heir took over. Previous times the succession went off just as anticipated with my heir getting the captial city and duchy title and everything being split after that. This time around though it is not happening that way.

My plans revolve around my family holding onto Dublin and when it doesn't get passed to my heir despite being my Capital city of my Kingdom and Primary title I get confused.

I can only imagine I am missing something huge to have this happen.

[CrUsHeR]

Check the "titles lost on succession" tab.

If there are any titles listed under "titles with special laws" or "their own laws", see if you can use the "remove laws" action on them.

Probably they have the exact same laws as your global settings, but are tagged as having special succession. That is what messes up the inheritance.



Only exception would be e.g. your primary kingdom, if you added something like Tanistry or Elective then keep that.

[Al Gore]

As a king your primary heir should get the kingdom, the capitol duchy, and the duchy's capitol county at least, if there are enough counties outside of that the succesion will attempt to create duchy titles to give your secondary heirs, along with their county capitols.

[BoydofZINJ]

Depending on your laws this can change from situation to situation. However, most have the following as a general rule:

Titles are handed out from the highest rank to the lowest rank to your heir(s). If you have MULTIPLE titles of the same rank then it goes from the OLDEST title to the NEWEST title (i.e. if you are a kingdom and have 2 or more kingdoms then the first kingdom you got - if you started off with a kingdom then its that one). Heirs get titles based on their line of succession. Generally speaking: Boys only - unless you have no boys then girls only [default rules]. Which NORMALLY means it goes from oldest kid to the youngest kid.

Special notes: If your laws are different then it changes the above scenario. If you start off as the Kingdom of Alba, for instance, they have a voting succession for the first heir. So its possible to vote someone in that is not normally a legal heir to get the highest and then oldest title. However, voting is done by house and vassal level ... so its possible you can have someone outside your normal family voted in as well. You can change the succession laws to make it only the primary heir gets all titles. Good luck in getting that changed to that.

[Ron Bison]

Did you check the elections to see who the heir was? Scotland's title is passed by election, I don't know about Ireland, though. Could be that your elder son just got his hands on more votes in the election for Ireland. Or it could be that he was just the heir apparent of Ireland, as he was the eldest son, and that's who the title would get passed to by partition law.

If you're hellbent on a younger child getting the titles, you could disinherit the other kids. DESTROYS your relationships with them, but who cares? You're dying.

[MasterKroket]

Ireland has an elective vote too i noticed.
Suddenly some random sammo religion dude was king of ireland i was like huh?
Turns out a major vassal had gone sammo (eastern europe religion however you spell it) so i demanded her conversion and suddenly she voted for the guy from my dynasty so ireland got a normal king again without me having to go there and get rid of the infidels lol...
So yeah if you are in charge hopefully you ll be able to change that law to normal partition succession

[BoydofZINJ]

MasterKroket님이 먼저 게시:

Ireland has an elective vote too i noticed.
Suddenly some random sammo religion dude was king of ireland i was like huh?
Turns out a major vassal had gone sammo (eastern europe religion however you spell it) so i demanded her conversion and suddenly she voted for the guy from my dynasty so ireland got a normal king again without me having to go there and get rid of the infidels lol...
So yeah if you are in charge hopefully you ll be able to change that law to normal partition succession

This is why you need to fabricate hooks and make sure the voters are voting the way you want them too. I lost Alba to votes from some random guy who was terrible at everything!

[CrUsHeR]

BoydofZINJ님이 먼저 게시:

This is why you need to fabricate hooks and make sure the voters are voting the way you want them too. I lost Alba to votes from some random guy who was terrible at everything!

I still don't get it. Why would you use any elective succession in CK3? Because your elected heir does NOT inherit your land. Unless it is your personal heir (firstborn son).

And if it is your son, you may as well have had a hereditary succession law.

You only risk losing everything you built up in your domain, and gain nothing.

[Kazden Soza]

When I checked the laws it was clearly showing me that my oldest son who is not my heir was getting the primary stuff even though the elective council and I were voting for my younger son to be heir because of being a super genius! Anyway the way I was reading the law it says he should have got the capital (Dublin), primary title (Petty Kingdom of Meath) and the de jures within but didn't despite being my heir.

I have since changed to High Partition and will have to do until I can change to Ultimo. Looking at the current succession plan everything is back to be distributed the way it should.

I don't know if what I experienced was some bug that didn't update the titles after my younger son became my heir or if I just don't fully understand the law.

In any case I am becoming very good at reuniting my core territories pretty fast after succession.

Thank you everyone!

[Timulairi]

so i had this happen with england and saxon elective. the problem is only the king title is elective whereas the duchy and county remains under the old partition rules. this means that i could elect my 2nd son, but my eldest was still first in line for the duchy and county. i could make the duchy also elective but then the eldest still gets the primary county. only workaround i came up with was to make another county the primary so that my 2nd got the county i actually wanted, but it decided it for me that im staying away from elective while it can only apply to king titles

[Kazden Soza]

Thank for the info! Makes planning succession even easier.

I think Paradox needs to update the information in the laws to clarify between a "Player Heir" and a "Dynasty Heir" in relation to king election and family succession. It would have helped clear that up a lot faster.

[Buadh]

Not sure if this helps or is relevant but i was in a similar situation, i noticed that when i created the kingdom of ireland, dublin is the de jure capital. but i started in breifne, so i think that made a massive difference when my land got partitioned. maybe check to move your capital to dublin if you havent already?

[Admod, the Equivocal]

Did you land your primary heir before he was to inherit anything? That could be a problem.

[Kazden Soza]

It seems that with High Partition or partition in general the first born son will always get the majority of titles but that includes the Capital and de jure duchy regardless of who is elected king. I have had this happen a few times now but the newly elected king does get de jure claims on the capital so it's an easy revoking of title from the son that got it.