Succession rules are Not Fair

[Mancuso]

I don't get this.... Finally got my culture "Hereditary Rule" technology so that I could change to Partition instead of Confederate Partition. Only to find out on my death that my heir doesn't share my culture. End up loosing half my countries to new kingdoms.

THIS IS TOTAL BULL....

I get that we are going to make this hard, and frankly the whole culture thing sucks... but ok, I have to live with it. But dividing up Titles should be based on the person dying and not the persons receiving titles. That way I at least have times to Fix the issues versus losing all my power and titles.

I mean WTF.... now I am essentially starting back at square one with even tougher enemies surrounding me.

[morph113]

I agree this sounds a bit stupid as it should be based on the current title holder when he dies. If I understand you correctly, your heir had a different culture which did not have hereditary rule unlocked yet so that your realms succession laws changed back to confederate partition on your death. In that case it's a bit unlucky yes. Although can be easily prevent by just making sure your heir isn't of a different culture.

[Apollysis]

The only difference between Partition and Confederate partition is that in Confederate no new titles are created. Say you have 4 kids and 3 titles but have the option to create a 4th when you die. In Partition the 4th is automatically created for the 4th kid. In Confederate Partition the 4th gets nothing. In the succession law section you can see what your heir inherits and what titles are lost to who which gives you the chance to disinherit them, murder them, make them lead a small army and send them on suicide missions etc.

[PensiveElephant]

Originally posted by Mancuso:

I don't get this.... Finally got my culture "Hereditary Rule" technology so that I could change to Partition instead of Confederate Partition. Only to find out on my death that my heir doesn't share my culture. End up loosing half my countries to new kingdoms.

THIS IS TOTAL BULL....

I get that we are going to make this hard, and frankly the whole culture thing sucks... but ok, I have to live with it. But dividing up Titles should be based on the person dying and not the persons receiving titles. That way I at least have times to Fix the issues versus losing all my power and titles.

I mean WTF.... now I am essentially starting back at square one with even tougher enemies surrounding me.

Wow, I haven't seen this, but if it's true it's very important to know. Maybe your title had some special inheritance rule? Some do.

Originally posted by Apollysis:

The only difference between Partition and Confederate partition is that in Confederate no new titles are created. Say you have 4 kids and 3 titles but have the option to create a 4th when you die. In Partition the 4th is automatically created for the 4th kid. In Confederate Partition the 4th gets nothing. In the succession law section you can see what your heir inherits and what titles are lost to who which gives you the chance to disinherit them, murder them, make them lead a small army and send them on suicide missions etc.

I thought that was the reverse?

[Mancuso]

Originally posted by Apollysis:

The only difference between Partition and Confederate partition is that in Confederate no new titles are created. Say you have 4 kids and 3 titles but have the option to create a 4th when you die. In Partition the 4th is automatically created for the 4th kid. In Confederate Partition the 4th gets nothing. In the succession law section you can see what your heir inherits and what titles are lost to who which gives you the chance to disinherit them, murder them, make them lead a small army and send them on suicide missions etc.

I thought that was the reverse? [/quote]


It is reversed Confederate does mean that "new titles are created" So when I had finally switched to regular Partition. Upon Death, It switched my Succession back to Confederate first (because my Heir's culture was different), Then divided up my titles and created new kingdoms for my heirs.

[PensiveElephant]

Originally posted by Mancuso:

It is reversed Confederate does mean that "new titles are created" So when I had finally switched to regular Partition. Upon Death, It switched my Succession back to Confederate first (because my Heir's culture was different), Then divided up my titles and created new kingdoms for my heirs.

Wow, that is so counter-intuitive.

[Mancuso]

My problem now is I almost don't want to even bother paying any more. This is the second time in this iron man game that I have had a leader die and lose 80% of his holdings to new kingdoms. Kingdoms that eventually become my enemies.

I figured, ok I fought through... Stopped expanding for a few generations. Keep my lands small.
Got the law changed finally... Changed from Confederate to Partition. Finally have some security in my kingdom. I can start expanding out.

Upon Death, law changes and I lose again 80% (probably more) of my holdings to new kingdoms.

So basically have to start over again....

Now what happens when I get to the next era and switch to Primogeniture. Start investing the time and energy building up my select countries for my leader... Now a new culture creeps in to my gene pool some where and I lose everything again.

And the way culture can sneak in. Especially when you don't have control of all your heirs or your heirs, heirs... AND let's not forget how freaking easy it is to loose people in war leaving you in situations where you could be handing your land off to a nephew or great nephew . This whole starting over scenario could happen many many different times and in different ways. All without any real control from you as the player.

It really is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and it totally makes me ANGRY!

I have over 3400 hours in CK2. I have over 80 hours now in CK3, so I don't see myself as just some "novice" player. To me the lack of security and possible loosing everything and starting over mid game like that, totally takes the fun out of it.

I'm probably a good 16 - 20 hours in to this specific game, and at this point it just feels like crap. I have no desire to pick it back up.

[PensiveElephant]

Originally posted by Mancuso:

My problem now is I almost don't want to even bother paying any more. This is the second time in this iron man game that I have had a leader die and lose 80% of his holdings to new kingdoms. Kingdoms that eventually become my enemies.

I figured, ok I fought through... Stopped expanding for a few generations. Keep my lands small.
Got the law changed finally... Changed from Confederate to Partition. Finally have some security in my kingdom. I can start expanding out.

Upon Death, law changes and I lose again 80% (probably more) of my holdings to new kingdoms.

So basically have to start over again....

Now what happens when I get to the next era and switch to Primogeniture. Start investing the time and energy building up my select countries for my leader... Now a new culture creeps in to my gene pool some where and I lose everything again.

And the way culture can sneak in. Especially when you don't have control of all your heirs or your heirs, heirs... AND let's not forget how freaking easy it is to loose people in war leaving you in situations where you could be handing your land off to a nephew or great nephew . This whole starting over scenario could happen many many different times and in different ways. All without any real control from you as the player.

It really is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and it totally makes me ANGRY!

I have over 3400 hours in CK2. I have over 80 hours now in CK3, so I don't see myself as just some "novice" player. To me the lack of security and possible loosing everything and starting over mid game like that, totally takes the fun out of it.

I'm probably a good 16 - 20 hours in to this specific game, and at this point it just feels like crap. I have no desire to pick it back up.

I know what you mean, although my problem was going from pagan to feudal only to be hamstrung in every branch of the game (a topic for other threads, I'm sure).

I can only tell you how I deal with that frustration. I narrate away the inadequacies of the mechanics and ai with a "storyline" and then i just allow the plot to develop.

E.g. My family holds three separate kingdoms within my empire, but all are held by queens who decided they don't care that a non-matrilineal marriage is going to lose these titles for my dynasty (while at the same time finding cadet branches that will die with them...). So I just narrate it away. Obviously a wave of anti-familial sentiment spread through my dynasty and women chose to use their power to hurt the patriarchal nature of the whole arrangement by losing these titles to other houses.

In your case? Well "surely what happened was" that they all wanted the child king, but then when he was getting crowned, they noticed a birth mark on his shoulder the shape of devil's horns, which obviously meant the child was cursed and they had to reevaluate.

As for having to work back up. Very likely one of your daughters' heirs is also your heir. It hurts less with the dynasty mechanic. Just for now you'll be playing as someone minor on the outskirts. You could create a cadet branch? Make this the story of how that child was cast aside, only to lay the foundations for the takeover of the Kingdom by his children!

[The Former]

I don't think culture has anything to do with it. My Norman kingdom of Brittany was recently inherited by an Occitan heir, and it didn't affect what he inherited in the least.

For the record, Partition is exactly like Confederate Partition except that it won't create titles that don't exist. So if you haven't formed a specific duchy or kingdom, or you destroy it, succession won't re-create it so it can be given to a younger son.

[MasterKroket]

I dont like how little control you have over grandkids.
You cant name em but you cant decide who they marry either (well you can arrange a marriage to some random courtier lol)
So yeah its totally possible your kids ruin everything for you lol

2 things you can do... Make sure your heirs oldest son is a ward at your court with someone your culture.

Should they really change disinherit em. Reknown is a resource... its pretty expensive for an heir but i disinherited mine twice already (cause they sucked) and executed another cause he deserved it... (he murdered my 1 year old son who had herculean trait)
Also whatever lands they hold premium title have your council dude change culture of that region to yours.