What do you do with rebellious vassals after a succession war?

[goosewaldo]

I don't mean how to avoid a war or win one.

After you've won a huge succession war and have most of your vassals in jail, what do you usually do with them? Is there any reason *not* to revoke everything you can and/or leave them to rot? Do you release them if they have a good opinion of you with gained hooks or get the opinion boost? Just kill 'em?

I've won a brutal faction war as a still unreformed pagan Poland, have something like 2 counts and 4 dukes in jail. I think the obvious thing to do is to remove the cousin they tried to install, at the very least forcing him to renounce claims. My opinion with the majority of these vassals was pretty high before they all piled onto the faction so they are still mostly in the positives and some of them are family as well.

What would you guys do? What's your thought process in similar situations?

[[OCe]Kagari]

let them rot, also revoke some of their titles if i have spare domain limit

[SnuffSaid]

If they are from my dynasty, I'll release them. I'll always revoke some titles though because it's a good time to balance out vassals, generally I want to keep the powerful vassals as similar in power to each other as possible, never letting one vassal get too much over the others.

If they are an "undesirable", like a vassal I inherited from conquest who never liked me and doesn't have my culture or religion, I'll leave them to rot or execute, depending on who I am.

[Evilgenius]

I use it to rebalance my vassals, divide powerful once up and get religion and culture in line with my own and maybe hold some extra land my self if so inclined. Vassals that don't need rebalancing I just leave in jail untill my position is solid or I need the money.

[Snowieken]

Vassals I took titles from (for the reasons mentioned above) I tend to negotiate release and have them renounce their claims so they don't come back biting me in the ass. I don't like my prison cluttered.

[goosewaldo]

Originally posted by SnuffSaid:

If they are from my dynasty, I'll release them. I'll always revoke some titles though because it's a good time to balance out vassals, generally I want to keep the powerful vassals as similar in power to each other as possible, never letting one vassal get too much over the others.

If they are an "undesirable", like a vassal I inherited from conquest who never liked me and doesn't have my culture or religion, I'll leave them to rot or execute, depending on who I am.

thanks for the in depth reply and to everyone else who answered.

[snuggleform]

I just leave them in jail so they can't rebel again as long as they are in jail. You don't really lose any taxes or levies if they're in jail. There's no need to revoke their titles, just let their children naturally inherit as they die. In fact if you revoke their titles you reset their contracts when you assign a new vassal, which isn't necessarily good if you have something in mind like I do which is everyone on high taxes and low levies.

[Yaldabaoth]

Revoke their titles, revoke their secrets through a bit of torture, then revoke their heads from their bodies. You only had a rebellion because your dread is not 100.

[Jackochainsaw]

I tend to revoke all of the common trouble makers (ambitious traits, just plain annoying characters) I get hooks on some of the guys/gals that still like me despite being imprisoned and tend to increase either their levies or tax contributions as appropriate. I often ask family to renounce claims. Then I banish. Executing is often a bad idea because you upset all of their family. You don't want too many rivals, it throws too many into the murder plots against you.

[Ruffio]

"hey boys, lets go fighting", oh and you 3 over there.. you will be in the advanced scouting party....... Oh, did you get beat up, lets try again....

[Bloodartist]

Originally posted by goosewaldo:

I don't mean how to avoid a war or win one.

After you've won a huge succession war and have most of your vassals in jail, what do you usually do with them? Is there any reason *not* to revoke everything you can and/or leave them to rot? Do you release them if they have a good opinion of you with gained hooks or get the opinion boost? Just kill 'em?

I've won a brutal faction war as a still unreformed pagan Poland, have something like 2 counts and 4 dukes in jail. I think the obvious thing to do is to remove the cousin they tried to install, at the very least forcing him to renounce claims. My opinion with the majority of these vassals was pretty high before they all piled onto the faction so they are still mostly in the positives and some of them are family as well.

What would you guys do? What's your thought process in similar situations?

Leave them in jail is the most secure option, and one that doesn't cause stress. Since they are criminals (they rebelled against you), you are not in any obligation to release them (unless you need money in which case you can ransom them to themselves).

Turns out, they can also escape although this seems rare. Ive had one prisoner escape exactly once.

Depending on traits, there are options to "expedite" matters (sadistic loses stress by torturing people). Dont forget to use the dungeon instead of home arrest.

If the targets have weak prowess, a classic method is forcing them to be knights and then going to a war they can't win, hoping they will die in process.

[Ruffio]

Originally posted by Bloodartist:

Originally posted by goosewaldo:

I don't mean how to avoid a war or win one.

After you've won a huge succession war and have most of your vassals in jail, what do you usually do with them? Is there any reason *not* to revoke everything you can and/or leave them to rot? Do you release them if they have a good opinion of you with gained hooks or get the opinion boost? Just kill 'em?

I've won a brutal faction war as a still unreformed pagan Poland, have something like 2 counts and 4 dukes in jail. I think the obvious thing to do is to remove the cousin they tried to install, at the very least forcing him to renounce claims. My opinion with the majority of these vassals was pretty high before they all piled onto the faction so they are still mostly in the positives and some of them are family as well.

What would you guys do? What's your thought process in similar situations?

Leave them in jail is the most secure option, and one that doesn't cause stress. Since they are criminals (they rebelled against you), you are not in any obligation to release them (unless you need money in which case you can ransom them to themselves).

Turns out, they can also escape although this seems rare.

Depending on traits, there are options to "expedite" matters (sadistic loses stress by torturing people). Dont forget to use the dungeon instead of home arrest.

If the targets have weak prowess, a classic method is forcing them to be knights and then going to a war they can't win, hoping they will die in process.

When a faction start build against you. Force them all as knights and send them to battle. Have to do it a few timers over usually for the the first start to drop. But gives no penalities what so ever. Oh and make sure the one with the least proves and martial skills of them be the leader :p

[Sid1701d]

Most fraction are formed if there is a problem with the leader culture religion being unbalanced like the Insular religion will tololarate other Christian religions being their leader as they see the other religions as rightous, but the cathlics won't like a insular leader as they view it as astray. The other type of fractions rightful liege fractions and crown authority fraction is caused by your county low control levels, another one is the claimait fraction that wants to install another person to the throne of a tittle usually primary kingdom and Empire tittles see this alot more if enough counties and dunchies are not happy and they have claims on your tittles. Also I always got annoyed with the fraction wars starting when I am at war with another country, I hate that because you loose half your army so if you know who started the fraction against you during war time you can alwasy imprison them for a small tyranty penality, and release them after the war is over, this will often time disband the fraction or slow it down until after the war is over.

Edit: Just make sure if you imprison them make sure its house arrest, this will prevent members of that persons family from loosing opinion of you.

[endymionologist]

"Renounce Claims" is usually a net opinion gain, I think. Anyway, I never just do one thing to imprisoned rebels, I like to make choices. I am fond of feeding the Partition demon by Revoking main titles and dividing the lands among my kids; if you're lucky your kids'll lose their duchies to the brothers of the rebels you revoked from and your next character will only have to put down a Liberty rebellion.

[Skylet]

I've begun stripping them of all titles, then having them give up claims to anything of mine they might want. Then, if they are dynasty they ransom and live. If not, they die. Then I install a young person as vassal who hopefully likes me and has the content trait.

[Bermag]

It depends. First of all with claims to my primary title I remove claims. But if they are dangerous like having very high intrigue and very low opinion it is safer to keep them in jail/execute them.

If they have different religion/culture I always revoke. Usually I revoke if they are of another dynasty but depends. If they are of my dynasty it depends on opinion, if I need to split ehir realm etc. If someone has a bad contract (like forced council) I might release them with hook and change contract.

Execution or let them rot depends. My curerent ruler sucks and has just/compassionate and get 120 stress each time he execute someone. He also had constant faction war for like 10-15 years. So much for being nice! :)