Can I gain territory through this marriage?

[♠ FallenSoul [O.S.S]]

So currently I'm playing as Portugual that now in the Empire of Portugual, and I just married my Uncle to the Queen of Sicely and their Children will be born in my house and not hers. If/when they have children and she dies will they inherit and become part of my Empire?

Right now I'm trying to mend the schism and form the Roman Empire

[laagamer]

I would think that because she's a queen, her higher title would mean the children would move to her Dynasty if one inherits the crown.

Not 100% sure. Somebody double check me.

[teron]

Originally posted by laagamer:

I would think that because she's a queen, her higher title would mean the children would move to her Dynasty.

Not 100% sure. Somebody double check me.

That part is wrong, dynasty of children depends on the type of marriage. With the default being the children are of the father's house, unless it was a matrilineal marriage which then means they are of the month.

For gaining territory, it depends on a couple things.
In general, if person has to be landed and have a title equal or higher then the title they are gaining, then they will stay in your empire.
If the title is higher, then they will break off and take their stuff.

Example of this from a game where I played Spain, where a count vassal I had was inline to inherit a duke title in southern France. Game gave a warning that there was a chance that I would loose land if that vassal inherited. After giving my count vassal a Duke title, this went away and upon murdering the Duke in Southern France, my Duke gained all his land and vassals bringing southern France into the fold.

Alternatively, if she has enough children that one becomes unlanded as an adult. Invite them to your realm, and war to press claim to bring them into the fold.

Or just enjoy the extra Renown from having a King/Queen of your dynasty.

[laagamer]

Originally posted by teron:

Originally posted by laagamer:

I would think that because she's a queen, her higher title would mean the children would move to her Dynasty.

Not 100% sure. Somebody double check me.

That part is wrong, dynasty of children depends on the type of marriage. With the default being the children are of the father's house, unless it was a matrilineal marriage which then means they are of the month.

For gaining territory, it depends on a couple things.
In general, if person has to be landed and have a title equal or higher then the title they are gaining, then they will stay in your empire.
If the title is higher, then they will break off and take their stuff.

Example of this from a game where I played Spain, where a count vassal I had was inline to inherit a duke title in southern France. Game gave a warning that there was a chance that I would loose land if that vassal inherited. After giving my count vassal a Duke title, this went away and upon murdering the Duke in Southern France, my Duke gained all his land and vassals bringing southern France into the fold.

Alternatively, if she has enough children that one becomes unlanded as an adult. Invite them to your realm, and war to press claim to bring them into the fold.

Or just enjoy the extra Renown from having a King/Queen of your dynasty.

Wait, so I was correct?

If you don't give them and equal title, they'll leave. Regardless of marriage type.

[♠.brT]

If you're an emperor, and your uncle is a landed vassal of yours (with no other children from other marriages) and he has a regular marriage to a foreign queen (that also doesn't have any other children) they get married, and have an heir together, and YOUR UNCLE dies BEFORE the queen, causing the kid to inherit his land (thus becoming a vassal of yours) and then she dies (with no other children of herself) the kid will become the ruler of that Kingdon, but will remain a vassal of yours (because you're an emperor).


However if she dies before your uncle, her kid will inherit her land but will remain independent. Also another consequence of her death before your uncle is that the kid will eventually inherit land of your empire, thus causing you to lose territory, but maybe your realm law might prevent this.

[♠ FallenSoul [O.S.S]]

Thank you i figured it out my son will be inheriting a lot of land through marriage, (Mainly due to me killing everyone in front of her XD)

[glythe]

Originally posted by teron:

Originally posted by laagamer:

I would think that because she's a queen, her higher title would mean the children would move to her Dynasty.

Not 100% sure. Somebody double check me.

That part is wrong, dynasty of children depends on the type of marriage.

I am double checking to clarify that the type of marriage is what matters.

What you do is marry a son to a 3rd or 4th heir in a marriage that makes your dynasty rule the kingdom. Then you murder off all the other heirs before yours. In fact murder all the children so your marriage gets all the land.

Once the marriage takes place you may as well kill the current ruler on the throne too.

Originally posted by ♠ FallenSoul O.S.S:

Thank you i figured it out my son will be inheriting a lot of land through marriage, (Mainly due to me killing everyone in front of her XD)

Actually you won't get the land. Your Son or whomever did the marrying will get the land as an independent ruler. They will be your dynasty though so it will enrich your house name. And basically you more or less 'deleted' a great house.

[♠ FallenSoul [O.S.S]]

Originally posted by glythe:

Originally posted by teron:

That part is wrong, dynasty of children depends on the type of marriage.

I am double checking to clarify that the type of marriage is what matters.

What you do is marry a son to a 3rd or 4th heir in a marriage that makes your dynasty rule the kingdom. Then you murder off all the other heirs before yours. In fact murder all the children so your marriage gets all the land.

Once the marriage takes place you may as well kill the current ruler on the throne too.

Originally posted by ♠ FallenSoul O.S.S:

Thank you i figured it out my son will be inheriting a lot of land through marriage, (Mainly due to me killing everyone in front of her XD)

Actually you won't get the land. Your Son or whomever did the marrying will get the land as an independent ruler. They will be your dynasty though so it will enrich your house name. And basically you more or less 'deleted' a great house.

If thats the case im killing my heirs wife then

[Samael Demon]

Originally posted by ♠ FallenSoul O.S.S:

So currently I'm playing as Portugual that now in the Empire of Portugual, and I just married my Uncle to the Queen of Sicely and their Children will be born in my house and not hers. If/when they have children and she dies will they inherit and become part of my Empire?

Right now I'm trying to mend the schism and form the Roman Empire

So I had done this before and there is two possible outcomes:
1. The main family of Queen of Sicely has more prestige and family members than you, then they can inherit the title of the queen. This also can happens if they have special inherit system of heir, like for example, an elective monarchy or something (this is more likely in late, so chill if not at that point).
2. They (your uncle's son and member of your dynasty) inherit their mothers title, but as independent ruler, but if your are the head of your house, he/she can make an alliance with you.

This are the two scenarios, now... If you want the title:
3. Let your cousin have the title, as the head of the dynasty claim his title and then declare war on them. Taking all his land in the process.

This is my recommendation, good luck in your campaign.

[glythe]

Originally posted by ♠ FallenSoul O.S.S:

If thats the case im killing my heirs wife then

LOL.... it's actually much better than it sounds. You can also make that son of your your Heir. and then that makes his son the heir to both kingdoms.