Scandinavia taking over the world?

[Eldrin]

This is all the AIs doing. They are TRIBAL, formed scandinavia and are literally going mongol empire on europe

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3383835668&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

[brownacs]

I'm guessing they've got the conqueror trait? I usually get a fairly large AI conqueror tribal empire in that region since they introduced that trait. It combos quite well with tribal government. If you don't like it, I think you can turn it off in the settings before you start a new game.

[Khan Boyzitbig of Mercia]

Looks like a conqueror to me, worse still if they have scourge of the gods as those get infinite kingdom level invasions until someone beats them. Not sure how many ways there are to lose conqueror but I have brought an end to one by allying their latest victim.

[mitchincredible]

Originally posted by Eldrin:

This is all the AIs doing. They are TRIBAL, formed scandinavia and are literally going mongol empire on europe

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3383835668&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

Almost every game I've done recently they push into northern Germany - but it's not too bad, just ugly.

[PostalGibbon]

Current game which i just finished AI controlled Carpathia spanned from Hungary to all the way in eastern border of Mongolia owning like one third of the map (also did eat Byzantine by pretty early in the run).

AI controlled Empire of Britannia owned all of the Spain, Britannia, Francia and central Europe.

AI controlled Empire of Mali owned all of the southern Africa, Abyssinia and Arabia.

And me Emperor of Baleo-tyrrhania owning Sardinia, Krete, Sicily, Hellania, Agean Islands, Egypt, Jerusalem and all land of the empire of Maghreb (Northern coast of Africa).
Feeling so tiny compared to all AI blobbing Empires. Still had the largest army, 3 million in the bank, 3k gold income/month and laugh when ai Mali had hard on, oogling my lands declared war and gets slapped around every time.

Conqueror + Administrative AI sure knows how to blob (just like good old times with the blue blob).

[Eldrin]

Originally posted by brownacs:

I'm guessing they've got the conqueror trait? I usually get a fairly large AI conqueror tribal empire in that region since they introduced that trait. It combos quite well with tribal government. If you don't like it, I think you can turn it off in the settings before you start a new game.

Oh i did not know about that, cool. Can the player somehow get that ♥♥♥♥?

[brownacs]

Originally posted by Eldrin:

Oh i did not know about that, cool. Can the player somehow get that ♥♥♥♥?

Yup. It's a decision for landless adventurers ('Become a Great Conqueror' I think it's called) and you can randomly get it as a Duke/Count with the chance being increased if you do conqueror-ish stuff. EDIT: Oh also some characters start with it like Salah ad-Din. EDIT 2: My bad, it's Duke+ (so Dukes, Kings and Emperors). Got that one backwards. Appreciations for the correction Monsieur M.

[CyPunk]

Originally posted by Eldrin:

Originally posted by brownacs:

I'm guessing they've got the conqueror trait? I usually get a fairly large AI conqueror tribal empire in that region since they introduced that trait. It combos quite well with tribal government. If you don't like it, I think you can turn it off in the settings before you start a new game.

Oh i did not know about that, cool. Can the player somehow get that ♥♥♥♥?

It is also inheritable. If you have a high intrigue ruler, I recommend assassinations down the entire succession line until you see the trait end.

[Mr.M]

Originally posted by brownacs:

Originally posted by Eldrin:

Oh i did not know about that, cool. Can the player somehow get that ♥♥♥♥?

Yup. It's a decision for landless adventurers ('Become a Great Conqueror' I think it's called) and you can randomly get it as a Duke/Count with the chance being increased if you do conqueror-ish stuff. EDIT: Oh also some characters start with it like Salah ad-Din.

Pretty sure you can get it as king as well. Not sure about Emperor

Originally posted by CyPunk:

It is also inheritable. If you have a high intrigue ruler, I recommend assassinations down the entire succession line until you see the trait end.

Do you by chance know if the inheritor needs to be an adult? I feel like i noticed a lot of Conqueror nations dying when a child took over

[ShadowBastard69]

pretty easy to get conqueror as a tribal player. you just have to conquer a lot of stuff. like, go from a chief>high chief(king)> and if you can one of the smaller empire titles on your first ruler + high prestige = conqueror. i get it almost every time i play one of the norse or baltic tribals. probably doable for the slavic tribals too. just keep your momentum going.

Edit; forgot to add, i always start those games as a high martial character and pump points into martial. that might have an effect, both on the conquering and the eligibility for the trait.

[brownacs]

Originally posted by Mr.M:

Originally posted by brownacs:

Yup. It's a decision for landless adventurers ('Become a Great Conqueror' I think it's called) and you can randomly get it as a Duke/Count with the chance being increased if you do conqueror-ish stuff. EDIT: Oh also some characters start with it like Salah ad-Din.

Pretty sure you can get it as king as well. Not sure about Emperor

Originally posted by CyPunk:

It is also inheritable. If you have a high intrigue ruler, I recommend assassinations down the entire succession line until you see the trait end.

Do you by chance know if the inheritor needs to be an adult? I feel like i noticed a lot of Conqueror nations dying when a child took over

My bad, it's equal to or greater than Duke so no Counts. Children can't inherit it seemingly. Your other main ways to lose it seem to be losing wars, not being an independent ruler and being at peace for too long. Although it's not really possible to get the conqueror AI to do the last one so that's more for the player I think and from my very anecdotal testing waiting for an old ruler to die (who just would not f'n die), it seems to be one war every 4 or 5 years to avoid losing it.

[brownacs]

Originally posted by G I F T G A S !:

pretty easy to get conqueror as a tribal player. you just have to conquer a lot of stuff. like, go from a chief>high chief(king)> and if you can one of the smaller empire titles on your first ruler + high prestige = conqueror. i get it almost every time i play one of the norse or baltic tribals. probably doable for the slavic tribals too. just keep your momentum going.

Edit; forgot to add, i always start those games as a high martial character and pump points into martial. that might have an effect, both on the conquering and the eligibility for the trait.

It does. I saw a list of conditions/modifiers somewhere but now I can't find it. Generally it was doing stuff I'd call conqueror-y so high martial, lots of conquests, that kinda thing.

[Code]

You can just turn it off in game rules. That's what I do, it's just designed for the typical masochists of today's society. Not exactly a game-balancing mechanic, what's interesting to me is how you can still get achievements with that conqueror trait on. If a player gets it, it makes the game extremely trivial, and if a ai gets it well - living hell.

[Mr.M]

As side info since i also have a big Scandinavia right now - it is most likely tied to the elective succession.

Usually if the AI becomes Conqueror it eventually loses that trait when a child takes the throne. With elective this is very unlikely since the AI usually votes for adults, thus they keep the trait longer.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3388347640

After checking twice, i feel like this one is even bigger lol

[Khan Boyzitbig of Mercia]

Norse don't get Tanistry, that is Irish/Celtic/Scottish. Scandinavian Elective however...

[Zalzany]

I mean sounds about right, I mean its how I normally play the game same with CK2 I would start as viking tribal count, and then a several generations its me vs all of euope almost lol Norse is the easiest way to snowball even for AI you get right leader and already have a kingdom set up aka Sweden gets a heir who has alot of ambition they just start streamrolling and their vassals also start steam rolling.

Like I do king of norway runs and sweden in the earlies start can be a real pain the ass. Like I own 12 out of 16 and there is 2 left not owned by me or Sweden they pushing stupid hard into norway in my current save and I am gonna have to go on a raiding spree to hire merks and subjicate them at this rate. But honestly I do that I have most what I need to create the empire... I just have to buy the norway king title, and then there is little bit of land not owned by norse I might have to mess with. Like again if you play aggressivly and AI can do it you can get really really mean norse empires.

Like they are always a pain in your ass if you do viking age and live near water or them you see one the kings will expand like crazy out no where they get extra gumption one generation. You see denmark or sweden swall up the land, and start snowballing hard.