This game is broken and need a serious rework

[Imperator Romanus]

What the ♥♥♥♥ Paradox ? What is this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ faction system ? Everytime it's rebellion, always.

For people who want to know. I played Byzantium and restore Rome, difficult game, many sufferings but I manage to controle in 1200 all the Roman Empire except England, western northern Africa and some parts of Hispania. I was huge, powerful, my dynasty was broken. All of them have great traits : genius, clever, herculean, beautiful, attractive... I reformed helenism and became Great Priest (all my Empire except some new provinces have been converted), roman culture is returned and all the Rex, Dux are of Roman culture (80 to 90% of them). i have the divine blood trait for my family. And everytime sucessions happen, my subjects attack like fools with 3 or 4 peasants rebellions.
The last one that make me leave the game. I was in the process to strenghten my position after an independance war lost the sucession before and I take a crusade by the pope.
I crushed theme and at this time, ruler died. The exact moment he died, my uncle wanted independance, with some major rex and the king of Oriental France that my father named 5 years ago (+1800 opinion with him :) ). They revolted for independance in the middle of the crusade for Lotharingia... My uncle was King of France... My army was now trapped but I won the Crusade but l couldn't do the same for the true ennemy (oh and 3 or 4 peasants revolted also with 20 000 men each).

I was indebted by 2000 because of the great army (40 000) I had and I took -70 each month. My army didn't want to reinforce, I had 15000 men them 40 000. I lost.
Egypt, loyal to me for more than 250 years was lost... Francia, Oriental France, Bavaria, Crimea were lost... In only one war...
This game is garbage not because this happen one time but because this happened 3 or 4 times in my same game !

Stop this nonsense Paradox ! I was Roman Empire ! My dynasty are divine guys with high skills ! There're not young people but experienced rulers who have 50 years when they take the throne !

PS : sorry for the mistakes, English isn't my native language and I'm completely submitted by anger

[Ardent]

Ok, we will get right on that for you.

-Paradox , probably

[Imperator Romanus]

You're funny

[NicouLenny]

Ok, we will get right on that for you.

Please refrain from posting if you're "submitted by anger". Myself, I refrain to post when I'm "submitted by hunger", never post with a empty stomach or if you're in your Final Form mode.

This said, feedback is always appreciated but please do so in a constructive way. From what you wrote, it feels like you were extremely unlucky!
have you tried to send your own Marshal to increase Control in the difficult provinces?
Also, try to increase your Dread, it really helps with vast empires.

[JC]

What i find most interesting with these posts it sounds like the AI is working pretty well. It does stuff exactly how i would do it if i was playing a game. My lord dies of course i'm going to go independent while he has to deal with so much other crap..

Players get so overwhelmed they forget the simple things. Defeat one rebellion and it makes others like you much more, offer white peaces and such. chaos is often not as bad as it seams.

If you have a empire the size of Rome consisting of most of the map, it's going to take forever for them to take you down. who cares if there are rebellions, they get squashed when you play them right.

If you do loose big time you will always have the opportunity to get things back.

[Imperator Romanus]

Originally posted by Nicou12313:

Ok, we will get right on that for you.

Please refrain from posting if you're "submitted by anger". Myself, I refrain to post when I'm "submitted by hunger", never post with a empty stomach or if you're in your Final Form mode.

This said, feedback is always appreciated but please do so in a constructive way. From what you wrote, it feels like you were extremely unlucky!
have you tried to send your own Marshal to increase Control in the difficult provinces?
Also, try to increase your Dread, it really helps with vast empires.

Thanks for responding but the problem weren't my counties... it's my vassals counties. And there are too many. I use my marshall but it's like 30 to 40 counties rose up all the ten years.
I try to be constructive. The factions need a rework, it's not the first time this happen. I'm sorry but a good lord who died and gave the throne to his genius son, doesn't need to provoke the all world against him

[JC]

Originally posted by Imperator Romanus:

Thanks for responding but the problem weren't my counties... it's my vassals counties. And there are too many. I use my marshall but it's like 30 to 40 counties rose up all the ten years.
I try to be constructive. The factions need a rework, it's not the first time this happen. I'm sorry but a good lord who died and gave the throne to his genius son, doesn't need to provoke the all world against him

that's what kings are for, let them deal with that. Or do you have 40 kings working for you?

[Imperator Romanus]

Originally posted by JC:

What i find most interesting with these posts it sounds like the AI is working pretty well. It does stuff exactly how i would do it if i was playing a game. My lord dies of course i'm going to go independent while he has to deal with so much other crap..

Players get so overwhelmed they forget the simple things. Defeat one rebellion and it makes others like you much more, offer white peaces and such. chaos is often not as bad as it seams.

If you have a empire the size of Rome consisting of most of the map, it's going to take forever for them to take you down. who cares if there are rebellions, they get squashed when you play them right.

If you do loose big time you will always have the opportunity to get things back.

First thank you for responding. I'm sorry to say that to you but have you ever played huge empire ? Because the problem is it's literally extremely difficult to have just a white peace against the traitorous factions who want independence. The wargoal increase the war score very quickly and you need to stop that to take their capital. Capital in the middle of their large territories where you suffer atrocious attrition. Complete that with the fact that your army never win a battle because you have the greater number, best commander but doesn't have the quality (I don't know why, I had all the knights and my army regiments) and it's over. Oh and I will also say that the peasants can win a war in 6 months. My army was in Anatolia to destroy one rebellion. Peasants revolt in the newly conquerred (3 years ago) Oriental France. The time my army went from Anatolia to Oriental France/Bavaria it was over. A quart of my Empire just dissapear. In 6 months.
Here another reason this game is broken. Change the wargoal for independence faction make them attack your territory. Change the faction. They're too many. Increase loyalty some lords needed to have. How many time my Emperor give a mere commoner a title of Rex and the exact same guy with absolute loyalty to the father tries to rebel against the own son of the man who was so kind to him. Sorry but that isn't really.

[Imperator Romanus]

Originally posted by JC:

Originally posted by Imperator Romanus:

Thanks for responding but the problem weren't my counties... it's my vassals counties. And there are too many. I use my marshall but it's like 30 to 40 counties rose up all the ten years.
I try to be constructive. The factions need a rework, it's not the first time this happen. I'm sorry but a good lord who died and gave the throne to his genius son, doesn't need to provoke the all world against him

that's what kings are for, let them deal with that. Or do you have 40 kings working for you?

My Rex never do anything. Never.

[Old Man Mordaith]

Originally posted by JC:

Originally posted by Imperator Romanus:

Thanks for responding but the problem weren't my counties... it's my vassals counties. And there are too many. I use my marshall but it's like 30 to 40 counties rose up all the ten years.
I try to be constructive. The factions need a rework, it's not the first time this happen. I'm sorry but a good lord who died and gave the throne to his genius son, doesn't need to provoke the all world against him

that's what kings are for, let them deal with that. Or do you have 40 kings working for you?

Going to echo JC here.

I've had massive map spanning empires, and not had the issues you are talking about.

You might be over extending your own means. Pass off control to vassals. My last Hispania game I had around 20 kings at one point, with the UK, Iberia, Most of France, Italy, and Africa under my control.

Use events to keep peasants happy, increase popular opinion, lessen the penalties for different cultures. I still got the occasional rebels, but nothing we couldn't handle.

Now, my current Norse game, things are a bit more crazy. I reformed the faith and gave up the tribal ways, and it has caused some, issues. But we are still holding things together.

Have you been working on improving the life of the common folk? Or do you generally ignore it, or act as a tyrant?

[JC]

It's impossible to guess why your empires are doing this. Post some screenies of opinions and lands control and that sorta thing.

See if you can sort stuff out to kings around the lands. All you need to do is keep the king in line and everyone else in that land is his problem.

I don't play large empires but i have had tons of vassals, it's all about the power dynamics. When things get a little hard make powerful vassals if you have to. It's much easier to give them cash or even titles to make um happy even if they are the ones working on 20+ counties of rebellions.

BTW empires should be hard to manage. In CKII they were like sailing mode and was never much to worry about. this game has a lot more struggle in it.

[Imperator Romanus]

Originally posted by Old Man Mordaith:

Originally posted by JC:

that's what kings are for, let them deal with that. Or do you have 40 kings working for you?

Going to echo JC here.

I've had massive map spanning empires, and not had the issues you are talking about.

You might be over extending your own means. Pass off control to vassals. My last Hispania game I had around 20 kings at one point, with the UK, Iberia, Most of France, Italy, and Africa under my control.

Use events to keep peasants happy, increase popular opinion, lessen the penalties for different cultures. I still got the occasional rebels, but nothing we couldn't handle.

Now, my current Norse game, things are a bit more crazy. I reformed the faith and gave up the tribal ways, and it has caused some, issues. But we are still holding things together.

Have you been working on improving the life of the common folk? Or do you generally ignore it, or act as a tyrant?

It will be a pleasure to speak with you, because I don't understand how you did. I gave all the Kingdoms titles I could. I tried to respect the de jure border and let the Kings give the counties and duchy that they created.
I had many kings also. More then 10 obviously and not far than 20 or maybe a bit more.
You said to use the events to make peasants happy ? What are the events you reffered for ? I didn't have them.
Same question with popular opinion, lessen the penalties for different cultures and improving the life of the common folk. I didn't see what you reffer about I'm very willing to understand because it can be the reason of my disastrous campaign.
I hope your answer, thanks for responding.

[JC]

Another thing, check what the rebellion is about. Sometimes letting one happen isn't a bad thing. It can often just flip who is running the lands and not necessarily taking away from yours. Only independence needs to be worried about. Culture and religious ones can be highly annoying though. :)

Try to work on flipping that stuff when you can.

If you want to post some screenies feel free, it's fun to see the chaos the game makes.

[Imperator Romanus]

Originally posted by JC:

Another thing, check what the rebellion is about. Sometimes letting one happen isn't a bad thing. It can often just flip who is running the lands and not necessarily taking away from yours. Only independence needs to be worried about. Culture and religious ones can be highly annoying though. :)

Try to work on flipping that stuff when you can.

If you want to post some screenies feel free, it's fun to see the chaos the game makes.

I can if you want use some screens that I took before deleted the save game. The first shows the Empire after losing it to my uncle the King of France, previously independant.
The second shows the spread of hellenism.
Note that he first shows a destroyed Roman Empire not the Empire at his height. If you when some idea of what he looked like you need to join Aquitaine, Egypt, Carthage, Bavaria, Dannenberg,Northern Scotland, all the Balkan of the Ancient Rome, Crimea and Celgilide (on top of this last), Zerwalide, Irak, Occidental part of Persia, Cyrenaïca, all the Anatolia...

https://imgur.com/a/IBldILG

https://imgur.com/a/YoBUzIV

[JC]

yikes you lost a lot. In the end this game is about learning. I've blown some stuff too. My only suggestion in the future is to pay a bit more attention to the levels of threats. Either from religious revolt which it looks like some of it could of been and also cultural, along with the blanket uprising. (the one that is covered in control)

It seams like maybe you just over extended to fast and didn't make sure things were stable and it all kinda stacked up in the end.

Give it another try and see what happens, though i will say sometimes retaking or remaking your empire after a disaster can be fun.

New patch next week anyway, we can read the patch notes then to see what has changed under empire rule. :)

[Imperator Romanus]

Originally posted by JC:

yikes you lost a lot. In the end this game is about learning. I've blown some stuff too. My only suggestion in the future is to pay a bit more attention to the levels of threats. Either from religious revolt which it looks like some of it could of been and also cultural, along with the blanket uprising. (the one that is covered in control)

It seams like maybe you just over extended to fast and didn't make sure things were stable and it all kinda stacked up in the end.

Give it another try and see what happens, though i will say sometimes retaking or remaking your empire after a disaster can be fun.

New patch next week anyway, we can read the patch notes then to see what has changed under empire rule. :)

I tried to make things stable but the problems are always the same. Factions who wanted indepedence and counties that my vassals didn't want to converte