Is it worth to grant my cities to Holy Orders?

[alegdansk]

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[Gorbush Creepgood]

That depends XD

Apart from the money they offer you, there is no immediate benefit.

If the order gets new territory though, they will increase their number of fighters,
and if you are their patron, you can hire them free of charge against hostile faiths.

[Mr.Hmm]

I dont believe you can grant cities to holy orders, only Castles?

[The Former]

It's basically a great idea if you're having a lot of trouble with heathens trying to take your land. Because assuming no one else has called them up, you have them on call right there in your territory to deal with threats of a different faith.

[Bronan the Bradbarian]

Following on from previous posts. If you are in the middle of Europe, however, then no, it is not a good idea. Unless, of course, your religious enemies have conquered that far in your playthrough. Otherwise you are just giving up taxes long-term for a short-term injection of funds.

[NK SemTex]

I have noticed that Holy Orders accumulate thousands of gold, but they never upgrade their buildings, so, I stopped giving them lands. I'd rather just hire them as any other mercenary, that way I will get more gold in the long run from taxes.

[CrUsHeR]

Each city granted to the order is lost taxes and development.

The proper way to found orders is to create a situation where you temporarily own a county with a city - or better, castle - outside of your own domain. Either through war or revoking vassal titles. Then found the order there, and give the county away.

Whenever the order master asks you to lease another title, you can follow the tooltip links and immediately see wether the city is in your domain or not: If the tooltip of the linked city says "your vassal's primary title" you would lose a city, otherwise it is a city of someone else.
Then just make your decision based on that.



If you really want to support your faith, you can also found holy orders in more remote areas first. As soon as the kingdom title above the order falls to someone else, or the local realm becomes independent, you lose the patronage of the order. This means you can found a new order somewhere else.

Makes quite a difference if your faith has 3-5 holy orders each 5k or more men strong.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by NK SemTex:

I have noticed that Holy Orders accumulate thousands of gold, but they never upgrade their buildings, so, I stopped giving them lands. I'd rather just hire them as any other mercenary, that way I will get more gold in the long run from taxes.

Orders operate independent from their holding upgrades. They simply grow their troops based on the number of holdings they have leased.

Originally posted by Mr.Hmm:

I dont believe you can grant cities to holy orders, only Castles?

Both castles and cities are eliglible for orders, but not temples.

Generally the castle baronies are so rare that this is almost never in question. Also as pointed out above, there is zero difference wether the order owns a city or a castle. You cannot declare war on them like in CK2, their holdings are effectively non-existant for all purposes.

[Viktor Von Groyper]

You have an option to designate. So you can give them cities from your vassals and not lose any of your holdings. But I generally just tell them no regardless because Im greedy.

[The Former]

Originally posted by The Aghma:

Following on from previous posts. If you are in the middle of Europe, however, then no, it is not a good idea. Unless, of course, your religious enemies have conquered that far in your playthrough. Otherwise you are just giving up taxes long-term for a short-term injection of funds.

Or a massive schism has formed.

[(Rúna)]

Oh I thought you still got taxes from the cities you leased out to Holy Orders? Is that not the case? Because I've been giving away loads previously, specifically from my personal realms.

I thought I didn't have to put up with minor barons demanding council positions, and would still be raking in taxes!

[alegdansk]

Thank you guys for all your answers and suggestions ;)

[CrUsHeR]

Forgot to say - only found holy orders if you are 100% certain that you will never take on any other faith. Including reforming pagan (relevant for the unreformed Jomsvikings decision)

In the current version it is impossible to revoke holy order leases from different faiths, so you'd be permanently stuck with a potentially hostile order inside your realm.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by Mim:

Oh I thought you still got taxes from the cities you leased out to Holy Orders? Is that not the case? Because I've been giving away loads previously, specifically from my personal realms.

I thought I didn't have to put up with minor barons demanding council positions, and would still be raking in taxes! :albino_trait::albino_trait:

Best to read this here

https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Hired_forces#Holy_orders

So the leased holdings are gone for good from your realm economy, unless you revoke them and have regular mayor/baron vassals again.