Crusader Kings III

Crusader Kings III

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RedSpades9 Oct 6, 2024 @ 6:49pm
So, what's going on with the DLCs?
I don't have any of them, was playing ck2 lately and enjoying it, figured "Hey maybe I'll pick up ck3" only to discover I already had it. I also noticed I'd ignored one of the dlcs, which is something I normally don't do. I do a quick scan of the dlc and they all seem to be mixed. Looked at the reviews for one and saw price complaints, bug complaints, etc.

People who have played with the DLC one by one as they've come out, are their substantive quality issues? (I can already decide what qualifies as a pricing issue myself.) Things I'd consider problematic are bugs (especially ones unresolved after long periods of time), lack of meaningful content, and/or upending good/enjoyable systems for inferior versions.

I'm looking for real critique, even if you think the dlc is good I wanna know what I'm in for if I pick these up. (Though I would also like your opinion on if its good or not at the end of your comment.)
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Razorblade Oct 6, 2024 @ 9:06pm 
There are 3 reasons people review a Paradox DLC poorly:

1. Bugs, which are later fixed.
2. Not enough content, usually because much of the content developed for the DLC was included in the accompanying free update.
3. The game becoming more difficult, even though it is already piss easy.

As you can see, none of those complaints are "the DLC make the game worse." Hell, they're rarely even about the DLC itself, but more often about the free patch.

If money is not a concern, all the DLC make the game better, even if they don't always make it overwhelmingly better. None of the DLC make the game worse.
Myth Alric Oct 6, 2024 @ 10:02pm 
They are all pretty good and add a lot. Though they mostly tend to focus on one area. Royal Court is mainly for Kings and Emporers. Roads to power mainly for unlanded and Byzantine empire. Northern lords for vikings. Fate of Iberia for Iberia stuff. Legacy of Persia for the Abbasid Caliphate stuff. Legends of the dead, for plague and legends stuff. And tournament one for tournaments and big parties and stuff.

I would say Royal court, tournament are the two biggest impacting ones, and happen all the time. Royal court isn't major if you stay a Duke the entire game though. They are also the 'expansions' so the biggest ones of the DLC. The third expansion is legends of the dead, and is probably the weakest of them. There is a lot of stuff but it seems like it is mostly plagues spreading around killing people. People hate it more for the plagues being bad for their country, rather than lack of content though, it isn't great but it isn't bad. Roads of power is also an expansion but more focused on Byzantine stuff, so outside of the landless stuff, it is mostly focused on that.

Legacy of Persia, fate of iberia, and Northern lords, are only really useful, are almost entirely focused on those areas. If you are not playing in the area they are meant for, you basically won't notice anything. If you are not interested in playing in those specific areas, they are easy passes.

Wards and wardens, is entirely in the background. Like I am not even sure what is in it and what was in free updates. I am pretty sure it does stuff but I am not sure what, it isn't anything flashy though.

Friends and foe is the only one I don't have, because they didn't bother to even put it into a bundle. It is similar to wards and wardens I hear. Though both are cheap dlc so might still be worth it. If you are missing one, it is probably this because it wasn't in the bundle

Any of the cosmetic stuff I wouldn't bother with.
jpcerutti Oct 6, 2024 @ 10:24pm 
They are PDX DLC for a Paradox Interactive Game.

If anyone wants to complain about pricing, initial 'bugginess', what parts are exclusive DLC versus base game changes, or what 'should of been included' in a game released years ago is up to them. NONE of that is new, CK3 DLC unique, or in any way surprising unless you have never bought a PDX game in your life.

Do you own and play PDX games? Stellaris, HOI, EU... those games develop and have DLC the same way. Some people just don't like that.

There are plenty of Youtubers that will show you exactly what is in (or not) any DLC now so you can decide for yourself.
Сааребас Oct 7, 2024 @ 3:01am 
There seems to be a lot of players hating on CK3 whilst prasing CK2.
Which I'd funny because when developing CK3 they (PDX) took heed about the complaints people had about CK2.
I'm not agreeing with everything PDX did to bring solutions to those issues but CK3, imho, is the superior game.
Anyways, with reviews, you should take a look at the complaints and how that translates to the product you wish to buy.
E.g. There are plenty of games on Steam which have negative reviews because users don't have the adequate hardware to run those games.
Same for when prices increase on existing games, you'll see an increase in negative reviews.

If you enjoy CK and specifically CK3 then I'd say all the DLC's are worth it, albeit, like someone stated before, some'll add more then others.
Bordric Oct 7, 2024 @ 5:41am 
I have never bought a Paradox game or DLC based on whining reviews. Most of them are just that, one line "Money Grabs Bruvs"
ShadowFox Oct 7, 2024 @ 8:26am 
People love to complain about anything and everything. If you liked ck2 you will like ck3
VoiD Oct 7, 2024 @ 8:38am 
CK3 had the best launch out of all paradox games.

And the worst post-release content, I don't think any other paradox game came even close to how bad CK3 was.

the tl;dr is that most DLCs added nothing of value to the game, most added negative features many people dislike, so much they just added an option to turn off struggles, as an example, the "main feature" of 2 of the DLCs.

The first big one, Royal Court, also has a widely disliked "main feature" most people keep wanting to turn off, the royal court itself, and it's events.

Most of the good features came as side content and free patches, RC is often recommnded not because of the court itself, but because it comes with cultural mechanics that are pretty neat to have.

I think the only 2 DLCs that have added something of value were Roads to Power (landless and administrative governments finally adding different gameplay paths to a game with only 1 until the LoP update that finally added real muslims to the game) and tours and tournaments, if you like ungodly event spam & traveling around for activities, otherwise it also won't add much to your gameplay.

The quality of CK3 DLCs, in general, doesn't even come close to what we've seen in CK2, EU4, HoI4 (ignore focus tree DLCs) or Stellaris.
J4MESOX4D Oct 7, 2024 @ 9:18am 
Most Paradox DLC's receive a negative to mixed rating and one of the most common complaints irrespective of the content is people saying the content should be in the base-game and/or part of a free update especially if the offering is lacking or extremely overpriced.

I do think the expansions these days are far weaker and although CK3 was a solid release, most of their vanilla games launch in rather threadbare states. Thankfully a lot of the free updates do wonders but sometimes going from an established DLC-laden old game to a barren new one adds to the frustration.
SonicTheWarthog Oct 7, 2024 @ 10:26am 
Paradox is a company notorious for nickel and diming their customers to death. For example, the clothing packs. So yeah people get bitter but if you ignore all that drama then the DLCs only make the game better.
Abacus Oct 7, 2024 @ 10:45am 
Originally posted by Сааребас:
There seems to be a lot of players hating on CK3 whilst prasing CK2.
Which I'd funny because when developing CK3 they (PDX) took heed about the complaints people had about CK2.
I'm not agreeing with everything PDX did to bring solutions to those issues but CK3, imho, is the superior game.
Anyways, with reviews, you should take a look at the complaints and how that translates to the product you wish to buy.
E.g. There are plenty of games on Steam which have negative reviews because users don't have the adequate hardware to run those games.
Same for when prices increase on existing games, you'll see an increase in negative reviews.

If you enjoy CK and specifically CK3 then I'd say all the DLC's are worth it, albeit, like someone stated before, some'll add more then others.

I also Find it odd so many people from ck 2 come here to look at the greener grass then make up expectations, that weren't even in CK 2 at this point in CK 3's development, lol. (most ck 2 DLC was half baked and often took years to rectify, or they where so spaghetti code, they couldn't fix them.)

Ck 3 isn't just a superior game, its a far more capable program. Ck 3 can do more then ck 2 ever possibly could

For OP:
the best part of CK 3 DLC, is you don't NEED it. Unlike 2, where in the beginning you even had to buy the sprites and coat of arms separately, THEN the DLC those where actually attributed with.

The onl;y DLC I would say is a must buy, is Roads to Power. As it extends then gameplay loop in an great , and innovative way that will only grow.

All other DLC, give yourself 30-60 hours to see If those DLC would be the right pick.

Note: People actually gave thumbs down, because the free patch "gave to much"....So yeah.

Als people thumbed down the African attire.............not realizing the profit go to THE most used mod, and it was an effort to give back someone who put a LOT of work into their mod. So yeah, complete turns who guaranteed use his mod.

PS: African Attire used to be negative, but some of us made an effort to remind people the greedy "fs" that they are, in the reviews. So fortunately it's at least mixed now.
Last edited by Abacus; Oct 7, 2024 @ 10:50am
Fitzy Oct 8, 2024 @ 9:20am 
It's interesting the amount of people in this thread giving reasons for negative reviews who clearly haven't read any negative reviews, if they had they would realise the reviews don't match up with what they are saying. Funny that. They all claim to be telling you why people are giving negative reviews and giving a list of things that aren't actually in the reviews.

They're written down no need to lie about it. Most of them are "Too high a price for too little content" Or talking about "Coming from CK2" like no one has played any other paradox games, the first time I played Crusader Kings was on a CD rom I bought in a bargain bucket at Blockbuster video. Some people have experience with Paradox.

It's strange why a flood of people have come here to give you their own (wrong) reasons why other people have found something wrong with a purchase and not a single one of them have answered your question.
Last edited by Fitzy; Oct 8, 2024 @ 9:21am
Originally posted by Fitzy:
It's interesting the amount of people in this thread giving reasons for negative reviews who clearly haven't read any negative reviews, if they had they would realise the reviews don't match up with what they are saying. Funny that. They all claim to be telling you why people are giving negative reviews and giving a list of things that aren't actually in the reviews.

They're written down no need to lie about it. Most of them are "Too high a price for too little content" Or talking about "Coming from CK2" like no one has played any other paradox games, the first time I played Crusader Kings was on a CD rom I bought in a bargain bucket at Blockbuster video. Some people have experience with Paradox.

It's strange why a flood of people have come here to give you their own (wrong) reasons why other people have found something wrong with a purchase and not a single one of them have answered your question.
Looks like the Paradox community is catching the Creative Assembly opinion astroturfing disease.
As long as you won't buy the plagues/diseases dlc you're fine. The game just can't handle the constant events and it will spam your notifications. A very, very bad dlc. And yea, there are cosmetix dlc's... if u like it why not but modders did overall a better job (and for free).
Originally posted by ShadowFox:
People love to complain about anything and everything. If you liked ck2 you will like ck3
Not true
Originally posted by Waylanderer:
Originally posted by ShadowFox:
People love to complain about anything and everything. If you liked ck2 you will like ck3
Not true

This army of influencer fans that demand for respects and investments into mad DLC printer is insane, they just grew like a mold on a title that used to be so nice. Amount of bugs is immense, some of which remain unfixed - beyond recognition of 2 vs 3 gamplay preferences and mechanics discussions.
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Date Posted: Oct 6, 2024 @ 6:49pm
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