What is your attitude towards playing with save/load? How you deal with it ?

[Lorhini]

I am tired of constant saving and loading the game to be making better decisions and getting better rolls. It should be impossible somehow or the randomness is too big factor in this game

Ye, you can tell me go play ironman but there will be always this temptation to save/copy the ironman file.... it may start innocently and end badly.

Ye, I had also that vibe to play with some RPG style, but even there you may still be wishing for example to get better artifact or to be successful in kidnaping an enemy and you end with trying to be successful in any field then... then you realize that all you do is save/load for hours and nothing more.

In fact I really like this game but having to constantly save and load takes all the fun away from me. How you deal with all of this ?

[Razorblade]

The first step is to have a modicum of self-discipline. You've already admitted that you're ruining your own fun; that should really be enough to motivate you not to save scum. Do you play games to "win" against a brain-dead AI that can't realistically put up a fight, or do you play them to have fun?

The second step is to fix your attitude; the game does not have an insurmountable level of RNG. If you fail a kidnapping, try again. If you're consistently failing kidnappings, that means your Intrigue is too low, you're not bribing enough people to join you, etc. That is to say, if you're consistently having issues with something, it's likely a skill issue on your part, and skill issues are fixable if you recognize the issue, instead of blaming the game and save scumming.

TL;DR: Have self-control, don't be a sore loser.

[fattyMcbutterpants1998]

I used to have the same attitude from playing XCOM and Rimworld and honestly it started ruining the fun the same way it did for you.

I realized that the difficulty is in succeeding DESPITE the setbacks rather than removing them entirelywith save scumming.

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I havent saved a CK3 game since Jan 2021. Pretty much only do the Achievements. Some Devs were tasked to figure out what would be challenging to us players, so i take them up on it.
Im at 128/158, but every dlc adds more, so dunno if i'll ever get 'em all.

When disaster strikes i simply tell myself, "Suck It Up, Princess"

[SonicTheWarthog]

I always play iron man to avoid scumming. I know you can still use task manager so it makes it a hassle at least. The most they can do is take your ability to save away and leave it to behind the scenes auto saves like in iron man. If you find yourself loading a lot then start playing on iron man mode. Which makes me wonder why achievements are all of a sudden possible on non iron man games... but that is another discussion.

[jpcerutti]

Before I add my personal opinion, this is a single player game. Play however you want. If you go multiplayer, set up some house rules.

I set up save points all the time. Not to spoof RNG, but where I want to 'see what happens' if I take the playthrough in different directions. Support the Infante, press a claim, or let that be somebody else's problem? Break the betrothal for a 'better' opportunity or keep the alliance they just tried to suck me into a war I don't want with? House feud this time - or not? Those kind of things.

It is a pain when RNG smashes you, that last trait for a promising heir is 'shy', or the last step of your carefully crafted undetected seduction scheme results in yet another Catholic girl who they'll poorly educate and marry off to a nobody - but I take the highs with the lows. None of those things are game over.

Game is supposed to make your life (and multiple deaths) complicated and sting at times. It is far easier to just edit/debug if you're going to go the 'reroll/reload' path to begin with.

Again, in a single player game, play however YOU want. :)

[Myth Alric]

I would make it a hard rule for yourself, no loading saves to get better rolls. You can load a save if you make a bad choice, and you learn from it and make a better choice. I don't think that is too bad.

Save scumming to get a slightly better artifact, or to succeed in a low chance scheme, is a complete waste of time. These are minor things with minor impact over the long term. Allow yourself some leeway if something crazy happens, but you got to be strict and just accept it when minor things don't go your way. Eventually you will be able to roll with any crazy thing that happens, but in the mean time don't be too hard on yourself if you load. Just try to make sure the reloads are productive.

[VoiD]

These games were always meant to be played in ironman mode, it was even a requirement to get achievements.

I think they only removed the strict requirements to allow mods, but I still don't think ironman should have been removed from them, I mean, people can use mods to cheat yeah, but I'm not sure how that matters.

Then again, every game is meant to be played in ironman mode, save/load was a feature created so you could continue a very long playing session, it was never supposed to be used as the exploit we know as savescumming, turning it into a magic time machine capable of turning every % result into 100% and deleting every bad event from every game.

Back on topic: What's my attitude towards playing with save/load?
Exact same attitude I have towards playing with cheat codes, or cheat modes, I just don't add or use them, so I don't see why I should use save/load as a cheat instead.

As an example, I am, right now, playing on the highest difficulty on Distant Worlds 2, trying to survive as a militarist Gizurean "hivemind" that's not supposed to bow to anyone, and is meant to hostilize every other nation. I just got a war declared on me, it's going poorly, then another empire (human) found me and also declared war early in the game, things are going worse.

I could have loaded the game from before the war started and try to suck ass to stop it from happening, but instead I'm just discarding that game and starting over in a new galaxy, until I learn how to survive in these conditions. That's what I did often in Stellaris too, learning how to survive & conquer my first neighbor on GA difficulty within 20 years of the game starting consistently, it's also how I had to learn CK2 and EU4 back in the day, when Ironman was mandatory for achievements, etc...

[Aldrnari]

If I want to do it, I do it. If I don't want to do it, I stop doing it. I don't do ironman because I don't need the system to take away my choice. It's your single player game (assuming you play solo) so do whatever you want with it. I find this whole self doubt topic very funny.

[Kapika96]

You don't "have" to save/load. You're choosing to.

Stop choosing to do that, problem solved.

[drizzan]

I use ironman to prevent myself from savescumming, the most hilarious situations often comes from spectacular fails and its a shame to miss out on that.

[Сааребас]

I play Ironman solely and sometimes use taskmanager to hopefully redo a bad made choice. Like gifting my heir a piece of land because I only watched for the stewardship increase, or something else I did stupid because not paying attention, on rare occasions for something out of my direct control because I wish to create a story WITH w/e thing I wish to fit in it.

It's not like Xcom where a 99%hit misses and gets your master race squad wiped out leaving you with only recruits or gets your favorite character(s) killed.

In the end it doesn't really matter in CK3, especially now since landless is a thing.

[Bordric]

I play with ironman so no need to worry about it. I could cheese save it if I wanted but not worth it. But I have never had a single event end my game so not worth saving and reloading.

[ShadowFox]

Originally posted by Lorhini:

I am tired of constant saving and loading the game to be making better decisions and getting better rolls. It should be impossible somehow or the randomness is too big factor in this game

Ye, you can tell me go play ironman but there will be always this temptation to save/copy the ironman file.... it may start innocently and end badly.

Ye, I had also that vibe to play with some RPG style, but even there you may still be wishing for example to get better artifact or to be successful in kidnaping an enemy and you end with trying to be successful in any field then... then you realize that all you do is save/load for hours and nothing more.

In fact I really like this game but having to constantly save and load takes all the fun away from me. How you deal with all of this ?

Just stop save scumming lol if you can't control yourself and you don't like ironman then just accept that this is your life