Why No Feudal Estates?

[WHITE RYDAH]

is there a way to give feudal players access to the feature?

[Dragster6681]

Not sure if it's locked out to feudal, but you have to be within an administrative empire, like the Byzantine, to gain that option.

[Khorne Flakes]

It should certainly be possible to mod it into Feudal governments as well as Clan and Tribal. In vanilla though it's only an administrative feature.

[Otterking]

I haven't played with estates yet but I imagine this feature could be repurposed for minor nobles and knights in feudal realms. Perhaps mod or future dlc.

[WHITE RYDAH]

thanks guys for the responses hoping a mod will be made in the future i am going to fiddle around with the game files to see if i can do it without mod.

[CrUsHeR]

Could be material for a DLC about the HRE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itinerant_court

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiserpfalz

[drake_hound]

It is locked in the government system, the Estate System, so if you want feudal estate, you probaly need to mod a new Feudal Government, to get access to the estates.

[WHITE RYDAH]

drake_hound a écrit :

It is locked in the government system, the Estate System, so if you want feudal estate, you probaly need to mod a new Feudal Government, to get access to the estates.

true bro hopefully a mod fix our feudal estate problem.

[WHITE RYDAH]

CrUsHeR a écrit :

Could be material for a DLC about the HRE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itinerant_court

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiserpfalz

nice

[Lera]

How this isn't modded yet or not allowed in-game is surprising

[Toblm]

Lera a écrit :

How this isn't modded yet or not allowed in-game is surprising

The holding of estates separate from feudal titles would be anachronistic for the game period.

[Razorblade]

Why? Because Estates largely exist for when you lose a Governate, either through politicking, or through your heir being a child. Moreover, many of the upgrades focus on Influence and gaining Governates, which are both Administrative-exclusive mechanics. And, of course, they just make the Administrative government feel a bit more unique compared to Feudal.

That being said, making a mod to allow Estates for Feudals should be painfully easy. If I recall the modding dev diary correctly, you have to add like one line to the script for the Feudal government to give them Estates.

[WHITE RYDAH]

Razorblade a écrit :

Why? Because Estates largely exist for when you lose a Governate, either through politicking, or through your heir being a child. Moreover, many of the upgrades focus on Influence and gaining Governates, which are both Administrative-exclusive mechanics. And, of course, they just make the Administrative government feel a bit more unique compared to Feudal.

That being said, making a mod to allow Estates for Feudals should be painfully easy. If I recall the modding dev diary correctly, you have to add like one line to the script for the Feudal government to give them Estates.

True if you don’t mind me asking what file do I have to modify to make estates available?

[Lera]

Toblm a écrit :

Lera a écrit :

How this isn't modded yet or not allowed in-game is surprising

The holding of estates separate from feudal titles would be anachronistic for the game period.

I mean yes, but I was more referring to the fact that it's not a mod yet to allow estates in every government, or at least choseable via game rules.

[CrUsHeR]

Toblm a écrit :

Lera a écrit :

How this isn't modded yet or not allowed in-game is surprising

The holding of estates separate from feudal titles would be anachronistic for the game period.

Please do yourself a favor - read the links about the Itinerant Court and the Kaiserpfalz.


The Kings and Emperors of Germany did not live in a castle. They didn't live in a city or a palace, either.

They spent their life in office traveling between their vassals, their free imperial cities, and the manors called Kaiserpfalz.

And no, they didn't fly Lufthansa first class or had an Air Force One. They traveled on horseback with their entire court and royal household in tow.

This custom was deemed a necessary means of control over such a vast empire, so the Emperor himself was physically present in all corners of the realm. Unless occupied by war abroad.


So, obviously the erection of Kaiserpfalzen could be a start.
Vassals also were obliged to provide and maintain places for the emperor and his entourage - a train of hundreds of courtiers, knights, men-at-arms plus their animals - to reside during their stay in the region. Which probably was quite expensive when having to stock the place with that much of the finest food for the recurring imperial visits.


Examples of Kaiserpfalzen:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_Aachen
Already in use since Charlemagne's time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Palace_of_Goslar
Henry IV (the guy in charge in the 1066 start date) was born there.
Pope Leo IX supposedly sent blessed diapers as a gift for his birth.

[Toblm]

CrUsHeR a écrit :

Toblm a écrit :

The holding of estates separate from feudal titles would be anachronistic for the game period.

Please do yourself a favor - read the links about the Itinerant Court and the Kaiserpfalz.


The Kings and Emperors of Germany did not live in a castle. They didn't live in a city or a palace, either.

They spent their life in office traveling between their vassals, their free imperial cities, and the manors called Kaiserpfalz.

And no, they didn't fly Lufthansa first class or had an Air Force One. They traveled on horseback with their entire court and royal household in tow.

This custom was deemed a necessary means of control over such a vast empire, so the Emperor himself was physically present in all corners of the realm. Unless occupied by war abroad.


So, obviously the erection of Kaiserpfalzen could be a start.
Vassals also were obliged to provide and maintain places for the emperor and his entourage - a train of hundreds of courtiers, knights, men-at-arms plus their animals - to reside during their stay in the region. Which probably was quite expensive when having to stock the place with that much of the finest food for the recurring imperial visits.


Examples of Kaiserpfalzen:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_Aachen
Already in use since Charlemagne's time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Palace_of_Goslar
Henry IV (the guy in charge in the 1066 start date) was born there.
Pope Leo IX supposedly sent blessed diapers as a gift for his birth.

Both of which are excellent arguments that the HRE(or feudal empires in general) should have unique mechanics. Though not necessarily Administrative Government Estates.
Neither of which are good arguments that all feudal lords should have estates separate from their feudal holdings.