being a landless is OP

[Aurigo]

You dont pay for your army, and getting food is too easy. You can literally take over an kingdom/empire alone not far from the start.

[Obi Hung Kenobi]

Originally posted by Emperor:

Originally posted by Obi Hung Kenobi:

I took over barcelonia duchy and regret it. You cannot maintain your large retuine and I had to deal with a lot of angry vassals. its not really op just intentionally imo makes u strong to have the freedom to choose where u settle, it gets hard once u settle which makes sense.

ur a foreigner with different culture group n language etc. and now have to rely on taxes not contracts.
It does give the player the freedom to do wacky things like an english man ruling in africa lmao which I think was the intention here

thats why i said the problem is not to nerf landless but to buff people with lands, i feel like they make very little money.

It is not that they make very little money is that you can no longer afford such a large retuine with the new granted responsibilities. You have to play now like the rest of land people, it would be broken if you suddenly can have an army of 2k half being heavy knights which no other duchy can afford once u assume the rule of duke. You would just stomp everyone, what you can do is quickly conquer if you can everything around you with ur OP retuine before u have to start disbanding them.

[DeLastOne]

always a guy who do not understand the new mechanic who calls it OP...

[PorkBunWarrior]

Originally posted by PDX-Trinexx:

Originally posted by Dragster6681:

Quiet, you'll make them get the nerf bat out.

We had the bat out shortly after launch, we're just deciding how hard we need to swing it.

The crashing that bricked my landless save game is all the nerf the devs need!

[Abacus]

Originally posted by Dragster6681:

Quiet, you'll make them get the nerf bat out.

They definitely are going to balance things. They wanted interest in landless.

Though, I have had plenty of imperfect play as landless. Having to actually work out plans to build up after set backs.

I also have now experienced the added game-play loop with landed play. I can never go back.

Lost a small realm, and didn't loose the 100 or so years of dynasty and world building. I even have some relatives of my first followers 100 years before.

When I was landed, I didn't pop into existence. I already has a family and decades of lineage. I also had a small legend to my name, and artifacts from my ancestors.

Simply not possible in previous iterations in any CK game. The great mod also doesn't come close to comparing.

It's one of the most solid gameplay loops now.

[DayChap]

They'll patch it after the first week or two of sales.

[Obi Hung Kenobi]

I recommend making everyone of ur followers love you and then execute all the new people that claim land u landed and replace them with ur followers

[D-Bustin']

Originally posted by Obi Hung Kenobi:

It does give the player the freedom to do wacky things like an english man ruling in africa

*casually recreates Britain's colonial empire a thousand years early*
Or you could start as an Orissan adventurer, go to West Africa so you can take advantage of Elephant jungle advantage without being surrounded by anti-Elephant Men-at-Arms, and then be horribly disappointed when you get landed and discover you can't build Elephant Pens outside of India.

[Bloodartist]

Originally posted by Abacus:

They definitely are going to balance things. They wanted interest in landless.

It is a very common approach in game development. First something is shown as "overpowered" to drum up interest, have people invest in it, then after a while nerf it in the name of game balance.

[Belinik]

heh yeah i started as a landed in india earliest start year ,with a custom character with good traits, age 16 started adventuring making my way back to england my man was like 40-43 with 8x600 maa and 80% of them was special-region ones , took england that sadly was just lowest 1/3 formed when i got to europe, waged a 30 sec war now im at -40 gold per month due to my maa :p

Now i just need the large mods that makes more intresting buildings-Rice mod also

[Zero]

Originally posted by PDX-Trinexx:

Originally posted by Dragster6681:

Quiet, you'll make them get the nerf bat out.

We had the bat out shortly after launch, we're just deciding how hard we need to swing it.

Oh no, please don't nerf fun (i'm joking).
The Helldivers 2 devs did do that though and it didn't seem to go over too well

[Sir Jack White]

Originally posted by PDX-Trinexx:

Originally posted by Dragster6681:

Quiet, you'll make them get the nerf bat out.

We had the bat out shortly after launch, we're just deciding how hard we need to swing it.

I would say this needs to be nerfed is Stewardship side of things for landless. 25% of the holding taxes comes back to you in loot is kinda op. I would make it atleast 5% to 12% just to even it out :P * High Stakes Bartering *. If you wait 25 years before you obtain this skill you would earn about 500 gold just entering constaninople

[Idlemania]

Originally posted by PDX-Trinexx:

Originally posted by Dragster6681:

Quiet, you'll make them get the nerf bat out.

We had the bat out shortly after launch, we're just deciding how hard we need to swing it.

Can I get a refund for the dlc? I think i have over 2 hours on it.

[Germaine's Bra]

No custom Characters are Op, Start as some doink in his 60's as a landless with numerous kids and pick one to continue as and that will add Difficulty.

Not to mention if you focus you character in anything they'll basically be Master of all, Who always completes their said contract without fail, where as Jack of all, fails miserably 30% of the time and fails around 45% of the otherwise. (Granted you can get lucky and stack soldiers for example.)