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Rodrigo Jul 15, 2022 @ 1:08am
Royal Court not good?
recent and overall reviews are slightly negative and neutral, Is there a major point or its plain bad dlc? you know sometimes a DLC comes out with something egregious but then gets fixed. bad reviews are never changed though
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NorPhi Jul 16, 2022 @ 1:50am 
So if the DLC contained the free patch as well, then it would be fair to demand like half the price. Great... :D
Originally posted by NorPhi:
So if the DLC contained the free patch as well, then it would be fair to demand like half the price. Great... :D
Not in my opinion. For 60% of the price of the game I will expect more rework of actual mechanics (highly needed, especially with governments and religions, we will pay for them latter, that is obvious) as much as some new mechanics. Something that changes how you play no that simply is there and barely affects (if affects at all) the way you play.

But that is my opinion.
For what it offers, I believe Royal Court is good. I got it through the season pass, and I don't have to worry about regional pricing/locking (which is NOT PDX's fault, so they should be absent of blame on that...)

It annoys me when conservations start to devolve into subjective opinions like worth.
Worth is subjective, because we all have different opinions of our personal economies. Some of us are young and full of time, others of us are old and have a lot of money but little time. There are those of us unfortunate with no time or money, and there are those we may call spoiled with plenty of time and plenty of money. All of us declare worth a different measurement. And, as long as people around us are buying PDX games for the listed premium price, PDX is making a profit and doesn't have to listen. They have professionals in-house that are trained in economy or contract out to those professionals. Remember, CK3 was a commercial success. The recent negative dlcs are whining about "worth" but never go further into detail to why they think $30.00 for what is offered is too little.

How expensive are movies? What is the price of one hour of gameplay? $10? $1.00? It's so ignorantly silly.

Sure, PDX has had some misses, and hits to their reputation. Leviathan DLC and Imperator Rome are two prime examples, were they results of different leadership? Probably, but the gamer reaction to each were also incredibly toxic. Steam reviews too, are barely productive, most often they're used as tools of journalling therapy or trend-setting social pressure like review bombing. Look at any of PDX's online community threads about them. As a casual, I see so much entitlement, so much lack of empathy. I rarely take into consideration reviews. If you support a game that is 'popular to hate,' you know what people call you? A shill. If politics get involved, you somehow become "woke" or a "fascist," weirdly. I'm sure the history of reviews from anyone who cries about worth says many games they own aren't worth it. But many of us don't have the time to go to search history or even look at the reviews, we glance at the "recent reviews" and "all reviews" to see "mixed" or "mostly negative" etc. But if you actually look at reviews, if it looks like a C, and not a bell or E, then it most likely is suffering from an unjust review bomb. Most of the negative reviews are whining about 'worth' but are not constructive, so I consider it trash reviews and what people assume is "I can get clout/popularity by review bombing.'


At the end of the day, remember PDX are real people too, they're selling a product. And, as long as people are continuously buying their product, the 'worth' is appropriate.
CK3 was a commercial success.
Despite how bad economy is worldwide, their DLC has been well received by both the people and the critics. The only negative reviews lately are those complaining about price, but you have to remember we're in a bad economy right now, and the prices of products is not decreasing but going up, so I think the people complaining about price are biased ;).

People who whine about worth are often ignorant on how economy works.
I have a few choice opinions of those people, regarding their own mental health, but it is inappropriate for these forums.

If it is too expensive, we have the ability to not buy it, move on to other games. There are many similar games out there. Heck, there's still so much you can do with the Free content PDX gives us and the vanilla game. PDX at least has some integrity to not fully develop into a microtransaction market or a cash grab cow preying on our nostalgia for older remastered games; like so many of their rival companies. Gaming, as a hobby is expensive, there are plenty of cheaper alternatives out there, there are plenty of more expensive ones.

As well, if any of you have worked in a service industry, you know what is more common? Negative reviews. It is a weird compulsion of humanity, but people love to complain before they compliment. Two examples of this phenomena: On social media, you give a blatantly false statement and a correct statement. You'll get more engagement with the false statement with people trying to correct you than with your correct statement.
Many friendships are formed, especially in online communities, over mutually dislikes. Perhaps that is why it is popular to 'hate on PDX.' especially on these forums?

Ultimately, what is the #1 goal of videogames, and why do people buy and play them? Nihilistically, one would say to pass time, to 'escape' from reality. So, ultimately, you get your worth out of these games. You're not doing anything productive by playing video games. Maybe learning some history, and if you're young enough, maybe increasing technical aptitude and fine motor skills, but beyond that, all video game serves to do is fill up your time, so it passes more quickly.
NorPhi Jul 16, 2022 @ 4:57am 
Originally posted by Dante_Deepdarkness:
Not in my opinion. For 60% of the price of the game I will expect more rework of actual mechanics (highly needed, especially with governments and religions, we will pay for them latter, that is obvious) as much as some new mechanics. Something that changes how you play no that simply is there and barely affects (if affects at all) the way you play.

But that is my opinion.

Nah, if the free patch content was part of the DLC, then half the current price of the DLC would have been fair. Obviously, we would have expected some different additions with the free match, like having the mechanics of republican and theocratic NPCs overworked in a way that makes sense, but having all the culture and court mechanics in one DLC would have been ok. Not a bargain but OK.

Wouldn't say it barely affects the game, court event are just nice to fill the gap of interactions in peaceful times, but the culture thing is actually huge. I use that a lot. Would be nice if there are more regional traditions but it's a good start.
Last edited by NorPhi; Jul 16, 2022 @ 4:58am
Rodrigo Jul 16, 2022 @ 5:34am 
So in short, we got a free update and a DLC that seems to be overpriced, got it. Waiting a sale for the DLC, can it be added mid game? cause i kinda wanna start over
NorPhi Jul 16, 2022 @ 5:45am 
It should work, all the important new functions are either their own little thing or extensions of the free patch, so if the devs were clever about it, all the DLC functions are just locked.

I should have mentioned that I got the DLC via the Seasons Pass that was included in the preorder. I would have never bought it at that price. Btw. googling after CK3 Seasons Pass steam key yields some very interesting results. Just saying (at least were I live, reselling software keys is legal, obviously you need to check for your location first).
Last edited by NorPhi; Jul 16, 2022 @ 5:53am
Сааребас Jul 16, 2022 @ 7:34am 
Originally posted by NorPhi:
It should work, all the important new functions are either their own little thing or extensions of the free patch, so if the devs were clever about it, all the DLC functions are just locked.

This is one of the pinpoints PDX focussed on in CK3 since they stated in CK2 they added certain things they couldn't change due to it being locked in DLC.

The moment CK2 became noticed the whiners and entitled folks showed up and took over.
Hence, why CK3 has such a lardge focus on helping newbees get into it and imho kind of forgot about the core players.
NorPhi Jul 16, 2022 @ 8:57am 
Originally posted by пьяница:
Hence, why CK3 has such a lardge focus on helping newbees get into it and imho kind of forgot about the core players.

Those already have CK2, they were happy with this. All veterans post about is whining that CK3 is not CK2. I support Paradox position here, new game for new players, i makes sense to me.
Сааребас Jul 16, 2022 @ 9:07am 
Originally posted by NorPhi:
Originally posted by пьяница:
Hence, why CK3 has such a lardge focus on helping newbees get into it and imho kind of forgot about the core players.

Those already have CK2, they were happy with this. All veterans post about is whining that CK3 is not CK2. I support Paradox position here, new game for new players, i makes sense to me.
Don't get me wrong, I support PDX in that CK2 took a good amount of time to get into, meaning learning the mechanics, I'm all for the change to make CK3 easier to get a hold on.

Personally, however, I feel they shifted too much into that direction.
Haven't touched CK2 after getting CK3 and CK2 is probably my most played game ever.

People with just 200 hours of cK2 are not those I consider veterans.
Those who whine about the fact CK3 does not have the exact game mechanics as CK2 but still play CK3 despite their distaste, I don't take serious.
Same as those who stick to CK2 but keep whining on CK3 forums neither.
Steefy_92 Jul 16, 2022 @ 10:08am 
I had Royal edition so I got it once expansion got out. But, what was frustrating for me was how long it took to deliver. And when it finally was released it felt underwhelming in comparison to all the hype dev diaries built around it.

I mean, it took almost 2 years to get the first major expansion and what was delivered is a scrapped concept at best, in form of an expansion that would be released within half a year if not less, for a price that is as twice that much.

Now, I am fully aware major expansions are going to cost more than CK2 do and that's fine on its own, what is not, is that they need to have a folder behind it to justify it and Royal court was mostly all about under the hood changes with bits of flavor what it could have been.


And this is a general major problem with all recent Paradox's games and expansions. They used to get away with it because there is simply nothing on a market like them but eventually, everything hits a break.

And hopefully, next expansion really focuses on what is right now, the most pain in the neck problem with the game, Warfare, and how AI is handling it.
Last edited by Steefy_92; Jul 16, 2022 @ 10:11am
Originally posted by Steefy_92:
I had Royal edition so I got it once expansion got out. But, what was frustrating for me was how long it took to deliver. And when it finally was released it felt underwhelming in comparison to all the hype dev diaries built around it.

I mean, it took almost 2 years to get the first major expansion and what was delivered is a scrapped concept at best, in form of an expansion that would be released within half a year if not less, for a price that is as twice that much.

Now, I am fully aware major expansions are going to cost more than CK2 do and that's fine on its own, what is not, is that they need to have a folder behind it to justify it and Royal court was mostly all about under the hood changes with bits of flavor what it could have been.


And this is a general major problem with all recent Paradox's games and expansions. They used to get away with it because there is simply nothing on a market like them but eventually, everything hits a break.

And hopefully, next expansion really focuses on what is right now, the most pain in the neck problem with the game, Warfare, and how AI is handling it.

I would have some empathy and patience for this case. Remember, there was/is a worldwide Pandemic we are STILL suffering from the aftermath. That major life-defining event (society before Covid-19 Pandemic will never be returned, what we have now is our new "normal."), is reason enough to give them leeway. Now, in a couple of years, in 2024, I could not be patient if they continue lackluster patterns. Unless we have ANOTHER major world-defining issue, which geopolitically, people are worrying about right now...
Otterking Jul 16, 2022 @ 8:30pm 
It is way overpriced, barely even worth $5. DLCs for ck2 were cheaper and added a whole lot more content.
Twelvefield Jul 16, 2022 @ 9:22pm 
Originally posted by rodrigo:
Originally posted by Twelvefield:
I'd rather have RC than not. It's not perfect, and the animation stinks. Sometimes it's fiddly, and for a while it was the source of some game-breaking bugs, but even after all that it also adds a lot of interesting things to do.

I can't imagine you will have to wait long for a sale, even though Summer Sale ended just a while ago.

regional pricing for me is salty... need sale unfortunately.

I shelled out for the bundled edition, so I haven't looked at the price until today. It is pricey. Dang. I hope the sale is good!
mb3 Jul 16, 2022 @ 10:34pm 
I think its a good addition, and as more updates come out it will expand on royal court even more.....but, i'm not a fan of the 'Hold Court' event, it seems for something you need to pay prestege to do, your outcomes are often negative.
Rodrigo Jul 17, 2022 @ 4:45am 
Paradox gotta hurry this sale up
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