CK3 and sexuality?

[Die Dame des Berges]

I already pre-ordered the game, so I believe I am justified in opening threads regarding my concerns. I came across this:
https://www.pcgamer.com/crusader-kings-3-lets-you-play-as-bisexual-or-asexual-rulers/
Crusader Kings 3 lets you play as bisexual or asexual rulers


I want a Crusader Kings game. A historical game, not a gender study/LGBT lecture. I really don't mind this stuff so long as the game options allow me to turn it off. Will there be the option to turn it off?

[Misu]

Well gays existed in medieval times, as bisexual too. And they where in CK2 too. Not to mention that they are "rare" ingame as they where in the real life. I don't think there will be an option for it. I don't remember there was one in CK2.

[nelsonnicogame]

Originally posted by Schadenfreude:

I already pre-ordered the game, so I believe I am justified in opening threads regarding my concerns. I came across this:
https://www.pcgamer.com/crusader-kings-3-lets-you-play-as-bisexual-or-asexual-rulers/
Crusader Kings 3 lets you play as bisexual or asexual rulers


I want a Crusader Kings game. A historical game, not a gender study/LGBT lecture. I really don't mind this stuff so long as the game options allow me to turn it off. Will there be the option to turn it off?

Sounds more like you don’t want a historical game.

[oldgamermike]

it really depends on how common this is on if it will be a big deal. Now if it happens every time you play then it will be a pain in the ass as a big part of a rulers job is to have a heir

[RodHull]

Originally posted by oldgamermike:

it really depends on how common this is on if it will be a big deal. Now if it happens every time you play then it will be a pain in the ass as a big part of a rulers job is to have a heir

And when did being gay or bisexual prevent you having heirs? Plenty of prominent kings in European history had 'questionable' relationships with men behind closed doors whilst also maintaining public marriages and grooming heirs.

It would be weirder if homosexual and all other shades of sexuality didn't exist in the game. And as to the OP why does a character being gay mean your being 'lectured' like it literally exists in CK2 plenty of characters end up gay it doesn't pause the game and force you to read lectures on the subject its just a thing your character is.

I'd suggest you might want to gather up some more personal fortitude if this sort of thing bothers you.

For reference Ancient Greece having young gay lovers was not only common but considered utterly normal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece

The idea that a mere 1000 odd years later homosexuality somehow ceased existing is silly

[Magnus Aurelius, Bright Lord]

Originally posted by Schadenfreude:

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I want a Crusader Kings game. A historical game, not a gender study/LGBT lecture. I really don't mind this stuff so long as the game options allow me to turn it off. Will there be the option to turn it off?

Then don't play as one. But just so you know, it's historical. They are writings of homosexuality, bisexuality, and all kinds of sexuality in the medieval times. It might come as a shock to you, but people were much, much more open sexually than we are today.

Greeks had boy sex slave, it was just a normal thing to have, until they reached adulthood. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_ancient_Greece

[L3ros]

In CK2 it was simply a trait that lowered your fertility.

Probably going to be the same thing here, but for some reason marketing people believe that it makes a great point to sell your game on.

[RodHull]

Originally posted by L3ros:

In CK2 it was simply a trait that lowered your fertility.

No it wasn't it fired and informed a number or plots and story lines it wasn't only a modifier at all.

[AdahnGorion]

Well even in the first CK you could play like that.. because you know.. Roleplay and even traits.
Nothing weird here. As for the homosexual trait, it is actually somewhat rare in CK2 and tbh it is great and diverse. It also mimics perfect, since while you do get lower fertility, you get more attactive as well.. (plenty of people even now, but even more so back in the days, played on both horses for love, making kids were something else)

Then you also have to understand that they included Janism in the game and pretty much put on alot more detailed approach on some of the religions like that or even cultural stuff.

[The Former]

I'm on the conservative side sociopolitically, and I agree with what others have said. Leaving out gay and bisexual characters is actually ahistorical. One could argue that the odds of such a character appearing should be incredibly low, or that there need to be big time relation debuffs in place with other characters, in order to maintain an air of historical accuracy... But however you slice it, leaving out the possibility altogether isn't historical either.

[Die Dame des Berges]

Originally posted by Misu:

Well gays existed in medieval times, as bisexual too. And they where in CK2 too. Not to mention that they are "rare" ingame as they where in the real life. I don't think there will be an option for it. I don't remember there was one in CK2.

Originally posted by nelsonnicogame:

Originally posted by Schadenfreude:

I already pre-ordered the game, so I believe I am justified in opening threads regarding my concerns. I came across this:
https://www.pcgamer.com/crusader-kings-3-lets-you-play-as-bisexual-or-asexual-rulers/
Crusader Kings 3 lets you play as bisexual or asexual rulers


I want a Crusader Kings game. A historical game, not a gender study/LGBT lecture. I really don't mind this stuff so long as the game options allow me to turn it off. Will there be the option to turn it off?

Sounds more like you don’t want a historical game.

Originally posted by L3ros:

In CK2 it was simply a trait that lowered your fertility.

Probably going to be the same thing here, but for some reason marketing people believe that it makes a great point to sell your game on.

I know that homosexuality existed, and I never minded the trait in CKII
But the way they are marketing this makes me a little nervous, I just hope we won't see transexual nobles or same sex marriages and that all that sort of stuff in the name of diversity

[Raven Ranks]

I think that the way that it's being implemented is the issue here. People were obviously homosexual, bisexual and asexual, that doesn't mean that the crown or royalty cared. You were demanded to marry who you were told. Women were oppressed and should be represented as such within a historical simulator. You can't make a game about medieval history and have your characters REFUSE political alliances based on their sexual orientation. It is literally rewriting history based on this development team's political views in 2020.

[Magnus Aurelius, Bright Lord]

Originally posted by Schadenfreude:

I know that homosexuality existed, and I never minded the trait in CKII
But the way they are marketing this makes me a little nervous, I just hope we won't see transexual nobles or same sex marriages and that all that sort of stuff in the name of diversity

So basically, you didnt read anything they marketed ? Unless I missed something, there wont be any same sex marriage unless it was part of the law of a certain kingdom in real life. So please, stop freaking out a bout that. There's no reason to.

[Magnus Aurelius, Bright Lord]

Originally posted by Tesc:

You can't make a game about medieval history and have your characters REFUSE political alliances based on their sexual orientation.

Alright, well obviously, I missed something, can you point me to the part where it says that your characters will REFUSE political alliances based on their sexual orientation ?

[AdahnGorion]

Originally posted by Hobotango:

Originally posted by Tesc:

You can't make a game about medieval history and have your characters REFUSE political alliances based on their sexual orientation.

Alright, well obviously, I missed something, can you point me to the part where it says that your characters will REFUSE political alliances based on their sexual orientation ?

Most likely some journalist did a deus vault.

[[Q]uik]

Homosexuality was a thing in CK2
So why wouldn't bisexuality be a thing..