Will CK3 be WOKE?

[Defiant Squirrel]

How will the Crusades look in the age of political correctness? Will there be physically challenged transgender women of colour in the Knights Templar?

Who else senses an absolute cringefest coming on?

[The Cure]

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Only American media does that....

Not only Americans do that, many East Asian medias, including Chinese medias, also do that, and I don't think it's entirely baseless. We all know how rampant lgbt and feminism movements are in these places. There is even derogatory Chinese term to especially address this. But not only targeting Sweden though, medias are also not shy to show other places also are heavily infested, it’s also infesting America and East Asia.

You're preaching to the converted. Are you in China? Which part?

[AdahnGorion]

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I am not a Swede, but there are many good theories about where they migrated from and how most of the scandic tribes relate. In a sense, some of the "in modern termology" scandinavians have more in common with North germanic tribes.. obviously

Yes, of course the 300 AD Germanic migration has a say on the groundwork of all of Europe and parts of Sub-Saharan Africa. I was referring to the pre-Britannic invasions of the Jutes/Angles/Saxons, as well as the Burgundians of the main land, in terms of the "Sagas."

IE Germanic tribes that migrated across the world during the late archaic/dark age.

If you are not Swedish, then please tell me, what you know? Regardless of your birthplace.

I am an Earthling. (If I am forced to identify, then I am Scandinavian) On the OT they call me the crazy cosmopolitan.

The Jutes are a good example of a North germanic tribe, that is not "bunched" in as has always been Danish. again we can label and put them all over how we like and people debate this to death every day, because you can pretty much argue for a huge selection of different "grouping" theories.

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Only American media does that....

Not only Americans do that, many East Asian medias, including Chinese medias, also do that, and I don't think it's entirely baseless. We all know how rampant lgbt and feminism movements are in these places. There is even derogatory Chinese term to especially address this. But not only targeting Sweden though, medias are also not shy to show other places also are heavily infested, it’s also infesting America and East Asia.

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…we are all biased after all. But I really feel sad for the avarage Swede, that they are forced to be labeled as soft people that runs screaming in the street that genders don't exist.....

Sweden is ruled by democratic government elected by their people which represent majority
of people's values and choices, which means average people’s inclinations will directly reflect on government’s policy, and vice versa, so when most officials and delegations in their country vigorously promote, propagate these behaviors, it also represents their people’s approvals and choices. It’s not like Sweden is run by authoritarian communism dictatorship where people can’t elect governments, (or like Chinese and East Asians nowadays are forced to be labeled as covid19 “Virus” by Westerners), Swedish are not exactly “forced” to be labeled as such by others, that’s the outcome of Swedish’s own choices, democratic choices, so if they don’t want to be labeled as such, don’t elect such government, don’t approve these policies. Simple.

Also I don’t think Sweden is communism at all. Actual communism (or socialism) regimes such as USSR and Red China reject those lgbthiv+ nonsense, the old Soviets even openly oppose homosexuals. Also homosexual was not usual in human history, this behavior always exist in human society but it’s still minority and rather “unusual” compare to ordinary peoples, vast majority were and are still not ♥♥♥♥♥, not to mention during Medieval Europe when Christianity was still in their full might whom we all know were openly oppose and condemn homosexuals. In fact, if you or anyone think otherwise (like ♥♥♥♥♥ were so “usual” during medieval time), it’s self-evident that you’re already indoctrinated by modern western lgbt revisionism, besides, it doesn't matter if it's usual or unusual, Crusader Kings is not about ♥♥♥♥♥ or lgbt, they exist in society doesn't mean they must be represented and promoted in video games, the games played perfectly fine without them.

Just as all Chinese eat raw bat right?......... my point is that bias and overexageration is the mai thing here, we want to "belong" to a group and be able to call ourself "us" and the others for "them" That is sadly a basic human trait.

I don't want to make this debate political in nature, atleast not to much. but I will say this. It has nothing to do with LGBT movements or love for refugee´s (or even the opposite) or where on the spectrum the politics are (again I dare say, most of Scandinavia is social liberal) It has more to do with what is the new black atm and the topics of the media.

In my daily cycle, I never hear about the LGBT ie. It is not really anything that is talked about (and I work in the educational sector or rather, atm I am home in lockdown with full pay, but anyway) There is and have been for years also a political shift atm.

The political system in Scandinavia is not "1 takes all power" it is parliamentary democracy, that tbh is very based on coalition of parties. This means that often it is more parties being in goverment together and still having to rely on other parties for majority vote, then you also have situations where a party is solo in goverment and relies on a huge array of other parties to support them..

This means that you basically have alot of trading and that no party really gets its way or what they promise, this can be seen as a good thing ofc, because there is history of trying to get as many into the negotiations as possible. If I remember correctly the last time Sweden had a 1 party majority was in the 60's or 70's.. This is not normal.

As with any other political system or country/union/federation whatever... you have alot of people saying one thing and doing something else, the problem is that when most parties support a movement or feel pressured into it, then people still vote on them, because they agree with the other parts or because they are the "least disliked"

In places like Skåne that historically are actually more "Danish" than "Swedish" but thanks to the English and Dutch are not anymore, is a good example of how different various parts of Sweden can be. They are very vocal about independence, wants new harsher refugee laws and in general dislike all the LGBT movements (not everybody, but the loudests voices)


Again.. the world is complex, it is not black or white, it is grey.


As for the majority.. Have you ever had a talk with the avarage citizens of the world? if so, then you know what representative democracy is not always a good thing.



As for the more specific game part.
I think it is awesome that you have homosexuals in the game! Because we have many accounts of not just commonfolk, but kings and queens either playing on the same horse or both horses at the same time. This is not something weird. I also don't think it is forced by anyway in ie CK2, I never actually think about it, because it comes naturally in the game (it seems natural and has a place)

That is after all what we want, authenticity, something that seems "plausible" and well this is a game, so fun moments as well.. What we don't want, could be characters that are solo focused and written with the intent to show that they are x or y.. Because that takes away the very essence of characters, that is why people are so upset about new movies, because basically you get your throat stuffed with "This is the eternal truth, accept it or die" mantra.

[AdahnGorion]

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I am an Earthling. (If I am forced to identify, then I am Scandinavian) On the OT they call me the crazy cosmopolitan.

The Jutes are a good example of a North germanic tribe, that is not "bunched" in as has always been Danish. again we can label and put them all over how we like and people debate this to death every day, because you can pretty much argue for a huge selection of different

Well, there are not so many grouping theories for 4th-3rd century Germanic migratory groups. Their paths are fairly known today through modern Archaeology and Anthropology.

There is still enough to dispute eachother, that is my point. The more you go up in time, the more biased and shallow it also becomes, but that is my opinion. As I said earlier, up until the age of imperalism, I don't actually think we can talk about "etnicity, nationality, etc" but rather smaller groupings that could be swayed by others (via gold, land, common ideas, etc)

But in context to the Swede and that was what we talked about, I don't consider Geats the predesessor, but instead the Northeast Svear groups instead. But ofc, they all got "incorporated" into the culture and understanding, just as with the Jute example.

[The Cure]

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Yes, of course the 300 AD Germanic migration has a say on the groundwork of all of Europe and parts of Sub-Saharan Africa. I was referring to the pre-Britannic invasions of the Jutes/Angles/Saxons, as well as the Burgundians of the main land, in terms of the "Sagas."

IE Germanic tribes that migrated across the world during the late archaic/dark age.

If you are not Swedish, then please tell me, what you know? Regardless of your birthplace.

I am an Earthling. (If I am forced to identify, then I am Scandinavian) On the OT they call me the crazy cosmopolitan.

The Jutes are a good example of a North germanic tribe, that is not "bunched" in as has always been Danish. again we can label and put them all over how we like and people debate this to death every day, because you can pretty much argue for a huge selection of different

Well, there are not so many grouping theories for 4th-3rd century Germanic migratory groups. Their paths are fairly known today through modern Archaeology and Anthropology. And their migratory routes predict the 5th and 6th century Germanic migrations.

Edit: Sorry, I undercut you with an edit, let me read your response, before I respond.

I would like to know where the Geats came from then, considering even Ptolomy (2nd century AD) refers to them.

[Green]

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If only their/your Viking blood succeeded past the 11th century. Nobody would ever, no matter the cost, ♥♥♥♥ with a Scandinavian again. Why did Iceland get all the cool ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥? Should we blame/profess Norway? Nah, their contemporary government stance is even more liberal than that Swedens. You guys are the heir to Völsung and I respect that.

Viking blood?.. no such thing. Norsemen blood yes.
You can't be a Viking by default (it is a title) but you can be a Norsemen. Most Norsemen were actually friendly farmers and traders. The "Viking" termology is pretty much how you would describe, some of the few that went to discover other regions (adventures) that would also pillage..

Sadly shows like "Vikings" make peopled dumb.. The ahistorical portrayals in movies/series/games like that help give people a wrong historical sense of many things... I also fear how that new AC game will do to people.. I mean it showcase Norsements as crazed warriors with thick handle axes and leather armor...........................................


Anyway.. The only true "native" population that has not been fully integraded into anything, is the Sami and they are not even a Germanic group.

Have you even looked into the new AC game? The main story puts creating new settlement for the people at the forefront of game play, all game play literally revolves around this mechanic. Dudes main goal in the game is to create a place for his people to thrive and farm. The main reason for going to the British Isles is for new land as their home is becoming to over populated and as a result infighting occurs.

[AdahnGorion]

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Viking blood?.. no such thing. Norsemen blood yes.
You can't be a Viking by default (it is a title) but you can be a Norsemen. Most Norsemen were actually friendly farmers and traders. The "Viking" termology is pretty much how you would describe, some of the few that went to discover other regions (adventures) that would also pillage..

Sadly shows like "Vikings" make peopled dumb.. The ahistorical portrayals in movies/series/games like that help give people a wrong historical sense of many things... I also fear how that new AC game will do to people.. I mean it showcase Norsements as crazed warriors with thick handle axes and leather armor...........................................


Anyway.. The only true "native" population that has not been fully integraded into anything, is the Sami and they are not even a Germanic group.

Have you even looked into the new AC game? The main story puts creating new settlement for the people at the forefront of game play, all game play literally revolves around this mechanic. Dudes main goal in the game is to create a place for his people to thrive and farm. The main reason for going to the British Isles is for new land as their home is becoming to over populated and as a result infighting occurs.

While that is in some parts true, most of the portrayal of clothes, personality, scenes, places, weapons, etc etc are ahistorical, in a big way. It is mainly trying to ride the "viking" hype that current rave.

[Emperor]

Cringe thread. Banned and has the name "Red Squirrel" why am i not surprised.

[konstantynopolitaneczka]

lmao this guy was banned before the game release hahah

[RodHull]

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Who else senses an absolute cringefest coming on?

Yes this thread...

And it indeed went just about as expected, congrats OP your work here is done

[konstantynopolitaneczka]

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Who else senses an absolute cringefest coming on?

Yes this thread...

And it indeed went just about as expected, congrats OP your work here is done

He knew it was controversial topic.

Some time ago I saw post in Dead by Daylight about genderless characters - same story hah.

[Kohle]

Looks on the surface pretty post modern. We can just change sins without getting backhanded by God? lol. I think a religion based on the virtue of sloth and gluttony would get the diabetes and fastly die. Mind you if they programmed that kind of punishment in... well current elites would cry out in pain for letting us know sins are real.

[RodHull]

I mean the dudes name (and we all know hes a dude) says it all really

[konstantynopolitaneczka]

OP can't answer because he's banned. He probably stopped observing this discussion, so yeah this topic is kinda dead already...

[转让就退]

weqw

[drew_west]

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And homosexual was not usual in human history, yes, this behavior always exist in human society but it’s still rather “unusual” minority compare to ordinary peoples, vast majority were and are still not ♥♥♥♥♥, not to mention during Medieval Europe when Christianity was still in their full might whom we all know were openly condemn homosexuals. In fact, if you or anyone think otherwise (like ♥♥♥♥♥ were so “usual” during medieval time), it’s self-evident that you’re already indoctrinated by modern western lgbt revisionism, besides, it doesn't matter if it's usual or unusual, Crusader Kings is not about ♥♥♥♥♥ or lgbt, they exist in society doesn't mean they must be represented and promoted in video games, the games played perfectly fine without them.

its actually impossible to measure how usual or unusual same-sex behaviour was because of how persecuted said behaviour has been throughout history. To say homosexuality should not be present in CC3 is absolutely ridiculous just because it doesnt match up with your sense of morality. Same-sex behaviour was historically documented, it should be present. Its not revisionist to acknowledge it existed.