Deus Vult IS in ck3

[PackieTackie]

https://youtu.be/KjWtHmnoFW4?t=267
minute 4:27
as I expected the outrage was just made up by game journos to gain clicks

[Visi]

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Postat inițial de Visi:

AFAIK having an attitude that a mod dislikes isn't a bannable offense, and sorry if I'm being prickly, by lying sycophants put me in a bad mood.
Yeah, it's their forum and they can ban anyone for any reason that they want. Doesn't make those reasons just, fair, nor right, though, and a decent person wouldn't defend such actions.

Calling someone a bootlicker for no reason besides your anger is not an excuse. Why would I be bootlicking anyone around here doesn't even make common sense.

You're defending a company that has zero problem with silencing any and all dissent, regardless of any actual rules being broken, regardless of whether the person is actually trolling or spamming. You're defending that absurd behavior. You fit the definition perfectly.

[Bordric]

I am not defending anything I am pointing out the real history that happened right here over a few days. I am not trying to put revision into it like you are claiming to be innocent. They said stop more than once.

[Visi]

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Yeah I didn't agree with all the banning but it was crazy around here for a couple days and it wasn't even fact at the time just speculation.

Speculation that was confirmed as fact the moment they banned anyone who said the phrase. As I've already said, it's clear that they simply walked the decision back some in response to the justifiably angry fan reaction.
If it was just a misunderstanding and what they said was somehow miraculously misinterpreted in that interview, they could have simply had a pinned thread the top explaining the situation. They didn't have that, and they didn't do that. They reacted simply by ruthlessly and irresponsibly banning anyone who said a phrase that's intrinsic to the game series. They just wanted to sweep it under the rug and pretend it went away.

What Paradox did was disgusting and disgraceful and revealed very clearly how much contempt they hold for their (former) fans.

[Athmet]

Postat inițial de Visi:

What Paradox did was disgusting and disgraceful and revealed very clearly how much contempt they hold for their (former) fans.

I would not call the swarm of 4chan people on their forum at the time of this controversy their "true fans"... sure there were certainly true fans angry about it...

But the behavior we witnessed was more of a swarm than anything else. I remember checking some steam profile by then and so many were not playing the game or very little.... This was so obvious.

[[OCe]Kagari]

Man I really wish they clarified this way back when the controversy is still hot.

[The Former]

Do us vault?

[Senbonzakura]

Postat inițial de CyberScorpio:

https://youtu.be/KjWtHmnoFW4?t=267
minute 4:27
as I expected the outrage was just made up by game journos to gain clicks

after watching this video I felt worse. Gonno vomit. They changed everything. Everything quite bigger. messages. portraits. everything. big bigbig theme art design.. Vomit...

[AdahnGorion]

Postat inițial de CyberScorpio:

https://youtu.be/KjWtHmnoFW4?t=267
minute 4:27
as I expected the outrage was just made up by game journos to gain clicks

We knew that a few days after the initial outrage. But lets not stir up anymore pointless debate about it and instead just be happy that they stay true to the historical parts without all the silly modern politics.

[The Former]

Postat inițial de Senbonzakura:

Postat inițial de CyberScorpio:

https://youtu.be/KjWtHmnoFW4?t=267
minute 4:27
as I expected the outrage was just made up by game journos to gain clicks

after watching this video I felt worse. Gonno vomit. They changed everything. Everything quite bigger. messages. portraits. everything. big bigbig theme art design.. Vomit...

Nothing like hyperbole to make a day. You'll excuse me if I neither believe you nor particularly care.

[Senbonzakura]

But art design damn they dont look middle age. I mean they look middle age I understand. But I told everyone the same thing. I do not feel atmosphere. Darker theme of middle age. This game look like bannerlord or civ5 diplomacy thingy portraits. This is grand strategy game. I mean they eventually do sth correct right ? Just because changing engine with better do I have to like it. The art man art. minimalistic. levies raised in one place. WHAT ? to make it easier to handle ?? what the hell is that ? minimalization ?? God no way. I bought the royal edition for sake of ck2. Gonno wait and see. I hope. My only hope is developers own me with their new game. Because either I will be owned or my money lost. I hope I get owned.

[The Former]

Postat inițial de Senbonzakura:

But art design damn they dont look middle age. I mean they look middle age I understand. But I told everyone the same thing. I do not feel atmosphere. Darker theme of middle age.

Here are a few real world things that were made in the middle ages.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b5/65/fd/b565fd5553895bf83bb2cc0e86bb7a05.jpg

https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/media/5603377/p9_img_0070-20160224170216556_web.jpg?anchor=center&mode=crop&width=818&height=500&rnd=131332743320000000

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1551/9675/collections/Medieval-Wall-Paintings---Fresco-Collection_grande.jpg?v=1514062070

https://www.bristol.ac.uk/media-library/sites/news/2018/july/Claverley-church-article.jpg

https://europost.eu/web/files/articles/8048/gallery/thumb_910x0_662401-1a.jpg

https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/4493241_f520.jpg

https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/4493159.jpg

The middle ages were a bright, colorful time, particularly for lords who could afford expensive dyes that faded slowly. The interiors of castles had walls adorned with vibrant frescoes. Coats of arms were designed with tinctures of obvious chromatic contrast.

I also regret to inform you that it didn't rain all the time in the middle ages. The sun was just as bright then, if not brighter for lack of smog. Given that drought was a very real concern for the peasantry, I think it's safe to say there was plenty of sunlight to be see, too. Meteorological studies show a warm period for a long stretch of the middle ages, where winters were shorter, to top it off.

So sites like this[upload.wikimedia.org] and this[historiceuropeancastles.com] would have looked more or less the same back then.

So you see, it's not that the game has the interpretation of the medieval "theme", but you and whatever media gave you the impression that every day was stormy in Medieval Europe.

[Senbonzakura]

Postat inițial de World's Coolest Old Guy:

Postat inițial de Senbonzakura:

But art design damn they dont look middle age. I mean they look middle age I understand. But I told everyone the same thing. I do not feel atmosphere. Darker theme of middle age.

Here are a few real world things that were made in the middle ages.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b5/65/fd/b565fd5553895bf83bb2cc0e86bb7a05.jpg

https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/media/5603377/p9_img_0070-20160224170216556_web.jpg?anchor=center&mode=crop&width=818&height=500&rnd=131332743320000000

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1551/9675/collections/Medieval-Wall-Paintings---Fresco-Collection_grande.jpg?v=1514062070

https://www.bristol.ac.uk/media-library/sites/news/2018/july/Claverley-church-article.jpg

https://europost.eu/web/files/articles/8048/gallery/thumb_910x0_662401-1a.jpg

https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/4493241_f520.jpg

https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/4493159.jpg

The middle ages were a bright, colorful time, particularly for lords who could afford expensive dyes that faded slowly. The interiors of castles had walls adorned with vibrant frescoes. Coats of arms were designed with tinctures of obvious chromatic contrast.

I also regret to inform you that it didn't rain all the time in the middle ages. The sun was just as bright then, if not brighter for lack of smog. Given that drought was a very real concern for the peasantry, I think it's safe to say there was plenty of sunlight to be see, too. Meteorological studies show a warm period for a long stretch of the middle ages, where winters were shorter, to top it off.

So sites like this[upload.wikimedia.org] and this[historiceuropeancastles.com] would have looked more or less the same back then.

So you see, it's not that the game has the interpretation of the medieval "theme", but you and whatever media gave you the impression that every day was stormy in Medieval Europe.

nonsense. They were paintings. Colourful we are living in the world. Of course there will be colours. But imagination gone. If you gonno give motions to portraits you need hella good graphics. What I mean by that is almost real. Since you cannot do that. You have to do smthing els. I am not a person that buy new phone everytime a new one comes up. Grand strategy with its own rulez kneel before new engine. They want more money so made minimalization but they changed art. How bad you can portrait a church one way or another will look like church but one gives you feeling the other is just fake ( fake means its a game not giving you the real atmosphere). Do you want me to say oh yeah they look similar. :)

[Matt Cason]

I do think there is a difference between having it in the game as an important reflection of the times and people throwing it out there today just to rile up others. That being said, very glad it's been kept. Would be like banning the cross or the crescent being shown in-game, it'd remove the core of the faiths that drove the Middle Ages both towards greatness and depravity.

[Skales]

I just wanted to say, I told you, the outrage was very obviously made up. The way the article was written and the later Paradox response always implied to me that the journo came, asked 'Hey, will you be evil racists and have Deus Vult in?" and the Paradox employee, who probably does not work on that specific part of the game, and maybe this design decision was not even made yet (Remember, Deus Vult was not in CK1 and was only added to CK2 after CK3 was already in development, so this was always an open question). So the Paradox employee probably answered something like 'Well... I guess not'.

DEUS VULT REMOVED TO OWN THE FAR RIGHT

[Skales]

Postat inițial de Matt Cason:

I do think there is a difference between having it in the game as an important reflection of the times and people throwing it out there today just to rile up others. That being said, very glad it's been kept. Would be like banning the cross or the crescent being shown in-game, it'd remove the core of the faiths that drove the Middle Ages both towards greatness and depravity.

I believe the Crescent would not have been a symbol of Islam, or at least a common symbol of Islam until the Ottomans, so I would like for it to be replaced with something more realistic. But yes, in general I agree with the sentiment.