Why do plagues suck so hard as a feature?

[Nolvri]

I've come back for the RTG dlc after not playing the game much for a while, but the first thing I've come to dislike since coming back to the game are these darn plagues.

They feel obnoxious and just not fun, they tank development way too much to where it's a constant game of developing for years and then all of that being destroyed by one minor plague. I've started to play the game entirely without plagues and it's such a better experience, plagues in CK2 were far better than this honestly.

I just wish the development tanking went away, and they weren't so obnoxiously frequent tbh.

[identity]

I turn them down to Fewer and Illusion of Safety. Default is definitely a bit much. On the other hand, I actually like the Black Death as a mechanic, so I set that to organic and more than once (or unlimited, whatever it is).

[Razorblade]

I think the amount of plague-related events are obnoxious (I think plague events should be delegated to the local liege, rather than the top liege), but I think the mechanics are perfectly fine.

Development is nice to have, just like good stats on a character, but completely unimportant in the grand scheme of things. What is important, however, is not every character living to 80. Lifespans were so obnoxiously long before plagues.

[CrUsHeR]

To be fair, the epidemics in CK2 were a total garbage feature too. And IIRC you couldn't just turn them off either.

Sometimes your realm would just be near-endlessly ravaged by repeated diseases. Only Tribals were completely safe.

[Nolvri]

Originally posted by Razorblade:

I think the amount of plague-related events are obnoxious (I think plague events should be delegated to the local liege, rather than the top liege), but I think the mechanics are perfectly fine.

Development is nice to have, just like good stats on a character, but completely unimportant in the grand scheme of things. What is important, however, is not every character living to 80. Lifespans were so obnoxiously long before plagues.

I just think the amount plagues degrade development is way too much, or at least shouldn't degrade development at all.

Plus they're so frequent, it's to an historically inaccurate extent how often plagues happen and kill through so much at once.

[Lera]

Originally posted by Razorblade:

I think the amount of plague-related events are obnoxious (I think plague events should be delegated to the local liege, rather than the top liege), but I think the mechanics are perfectly fine.

Development is nice to have, just like good stats on a character, but completely unimportant in the grand scheme of things. What is important, however, is not every character living to 80. Lifespans were so obnoxiously long before plagues.

This. When you own half the map you're constantly being spammed by stupid repetetive events and can isolate yourself depsite being half the globe away from the location the plague is actually at. I play my games without any plagues, else I can't enjoy it anymore.

[Tikory]

The degrade development is way to heavy in my opinion aswell, the other stuff is just fine to me.

[Abacus]

Well I have been playing regularly, since the update to add them.

"plagues in CK2 were far better than this honestly."

There is much more to work with in CK 3 regarding the diseases. I have never had a disease really do too much (i have the setting to regular.)

Plagues are exactly that. I guess I can see why some don't enjoy the very small piece of time they occur overall.

You can change the setting to give you a lighter experience. I have only experience a single plague per game, so it's not like they show up constantly. It's like a 1 time thing in the scheme of dozens of hours. So a fraction of the playthrough.

[jordop]

Originally posted by Nolvri:

I've come back for the RTG dlc after not playing the game much for a while, but the first thing I've come to dislike since coming back to the game are these darn plagues.

They feel obnoxious and just not fun, they tank development way too much to where it's a constant game of developing for years and then all of that being destroyed by one minor plague. I've started to play the game entirely without plagues and it's such a better experience, plagues in CK2 were far better than this honestly.

I just wish the development tanking went away, and they weren't so obnoxiously frequent tbh.

They are a slight speedbump in your snowballing? Change the rules to suit your playstyle. Change the UI/notification settings. Same with most other complaints. The only thing Ck2 really did better was the event and flavor text IMO. Can't go back at this point though.

[Nolvri]

Originally posted by jordop:

Originally posted by Nolvri:

I've come back for the RTG dlc after not playing the game much for a while, but the first thing I've come to dislike since coming back to the game are these darn plagues.

They feel obnoxious and just not fun, they tank development way too much to where it's a constant game of developing for years and then all of that being destroyed by one minor plague. I've started to play the game entirely without plagues and it's such a better experience, plagues in CK2 were far better than this honestly.

I just wish the development tanking went away, and they weren't so obnoxiously frequent tbh.

They are a slight speedbump in your snowballing? Change the rules to suit your playstyle. Change the UI/notification settings. Same with most other complaints. The only thing Ck2 really did better was the event and flavor text IMO. Can't go back at this point though.

Don't really believe "snowballing" is any part of this, it's just a poorly implemented feature which I've seen many many many other people share. Guess I can change the rules (and very much have) to suit how I want the game to be but having the default experienced be so poor is an issue, the base game experience should be on par with the experience without it, but simply speaking the game is a little bit better with plagues less frequent.

I don't mind that it's going to kill a few more family members, I just think that they severely overtuned their solution to development growing ridiculously high. With the base game frequency of plagues, it's become almost a roll of the die that all your development could be wiped out by a few unlucky plagues which even on minor can tank an entire region before you could even redevelop. Could be fixed with turning down how much it depletes development, because the amount plagues can spawn and the speed of developing land is pretty uneven when on base game rules, so.. yarrh.

[KingKickAss]

I don't think it really needs explaining why they're so bad. I wish the devs would address their new "really bad" mechanics faster. Plagues are miserable, and house feuds are absolutely horrendous and stupid.

[Nolvri]

Originally posted by KingKickAss:

I don't think it really needs explaining why they're so bad. I wish the devs would address their new "really bad" mechanics faster. Plagues are miserable, and house feuds are absolutely horrendous and stupid.

At least plagues can basically be disabled or lessened, although even with it less frequent they still spawn too much.

[Ragatokk]

I just build some plague resistance, barely notice the plagues.

[Nolvri]

Originally posted by Ragatokk:

I just build some plague resistance, barely notice the plagues.

How could you do that besides recruiting a court physician? I am not 100% familiar with plague management, so if you could provide some information on how to build more plague resistance it'd be cool.

[Lera]

Originally posted by Ragatokk:

I just build some plague resistance, barely notice the plagues.

Big boy talking, LMAO - Have you ever led a kingdom or more during a plague? No matter what you build and where you build it, you will be spammed with stupid and pointless / repetetive plague events.

[Hussar]

I hate the Legitimacy hit that occurs with plagues. It is so hard to build Legitimacy, and then a flu outbreak hits me from Rightful to Aspiring. LWTF?