Adittion of southern africa and east asia

[Poliedro Toroidal]

I really don't understand why there's not a full map of medieval age after many expansions.
I get it's probably because of the lack of information about native tribes in the region and the lack of japanese involvement on foreign matters, but I still don't get why it wasn't added to the game in some way after so much time.
I think it's time to see these regions added to the game, probably as a DLC or something, I wouldn't mind.

[Half-lidded Bruiser]

I, too, would like to see the game's frame rate/time progression instantly cut in half.

[Rex is back, baby!]

Africa is big. I do not think you understand how massive (and empty?) South Africa is. Not to mention, adding Africa in full means making the Atlantic Ocean take up at minimum 33% of the map. If we scale and include the Indian Ocean, 50%+ of our world map would be water.

Ck3 does not have a workable navy mechanic to justify that much water.

https://images.app.goo.gl/7v9F7PTg8h1pLQdD7

[ChaosKhan]

They can't even add China due to how massively it would bloat the map and you want all Africa or even the Americas? No way...

[Abacus]

West china is the the only thing on the table and even that would be 2026 or 27.

We have DLC for sure scheduled until 2026, but can easily see it being extended (words of the devs.)

There is a hint on the paper map that might give us west China/Mongolia (with admin, we have a base concept of China's system.)

Again, these would be after we get several years more of stuff for the map we already have.

[Poliedro Toroidal]

Originally posted by Sheik Yerbouti:

Southern Africa was not reached by Euro's until ♥♥♥♥♥. Bartolomeu Dias "discovered" Cape Point. He was continuing the journeys of Henry the Navigator, who himself had "discovered" the Madiera Islands. The Portuguese erected a Padroe on Cape Point soon after

I get the game is mostly centered in medieval europe, but the game expanded a lot with time to consider any region to be equally interesting to play.

Originally posted by The Rextinguished Gentleman:

Africa is big. I do not think you understand how massive (and empty?) South Africa is. Not to mention, adding Africa in full means making the Atlantic Ocean take up at minimum 33% of the map. If we scale and include the Indian Ocean, 50%+ of our world map would be water.

Ck3 does not have a workable navy mechanic to justify that much water.

https://images.app.goo.gl/7v9F7PTg8h1pLQdD7

This is probably the strongest arugment I've read so far, but I'd like to point that instead of rejecting the idea why not using it as a chance to actually build a proper navy system.

Originally posted by ChaosKhan:

They can't even add China due to how massively it would bloat the map and you want all Africa or even the Americas? No way...

I've never mentioned America, mostly considering it was a completely disconnected region from the rest of the world. I don't see why it would be a bad idea, it's just more playable content, always limited with the "too far a way interaction" if it's so massive and distant.

Originally posted by ShadowFox:

Because back then almost nothing was going on in those parts of the world and can you imagine how the americans would react if there was a game where you could play as europeans and invade africa? They would lose their minds lol they can't even handle literal history

Dude, in this game you can make a harem with 5 year old children, what's the thing people wouldn't handle? And americans (I guess you are refering to USA) are not the center of the world to consider anything around their opinion exclusively.

[tonechild]

I just read a similar post about this from a few years back and a lot of people were saying because the government types of east asia were a lot different than the ones in europe - they were more centralized and beurocratic and not feudal at all. Except japan, of course.

With the latest government addition though it seems like more of a reality. I'd love it.

I'm currently playing with the Asian expansion project. https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=2970440958

It's pretty good so far. Though japan isnt fuedal in 867, it is in 1066 - I wonder what happened to make them switch from a centralized government to a bunch of fiefdoms? Or if that's a bug idk.. history amirite?

[Kapika96]

No chance of southern Africa. There's almost nothing going on there and it had few, if any, interactions with the rest of the world during this time period. Would be a completely pointless addition that very few people would be interested in.

East Asia will hopefully be added one day. One of my favourite parts of this era is the Mongols, and you can't really do the Mongols justice without having China at the very least. If there's going to be any kind of focus on nomads in a future DLC then surely they have to be thinking about doing China too. Plus the Chinese market is pretty massive and a DLC that adds them could easily be a big seller. Lots of interest in China etc. from those outside China too.

[Dux Bellorum]

Just use mods, I don't see paradox expanding the map any time soon.

[Hussar]

Originally posted by Poliedro Toroidal:

I really don't understand why there's not a full map of medieval age after many expansions.
I get it's probably because of the lack of information about native tribes in the region and the lack of japanese involvement on foreign matters, but I still don't get why it wasn't added to the game in some way after so much time.
I think it's time to see these regions added to the game, probably as a DLC or something, I wouldn't mind.

I would NOT want this. That is a different game ...

Or it should not be tied into the Crusades. If it was SEPERATE, I would support it.

[Bloodwyrm Wildheart]

Originally posted by Poliedro Toroidal:

and the lack of japanese involvement on foreign matters

This is a sandbox game, and CK3's default timeframe covers the Heian period all the way through to the early Muromachi period. There's plenty of history to work with.

Originally posted by Hussar:

Or it should not be tied into the Crusades.

India has nothing to do with the crusades, yet it exists in full.

[Alehkra]

Originally posted by tonechild:

It's pretty good so far. Though japan isnt fuedal in 867, it is in 1066 - I wonder what happened to make them switch from a centralized government to a bunch of fiefdoms? Or if that's a bug idk.. history amirite?

So, early on the Japanese Imperial Court did actually attempt to form an administrative bureaucracy along the lines of China, dividing the country up into provinces and appointing Governors who in theory owed their position to the central government. For a lot of reasons, however, it didn't really work out in the long term, and instead of having a professional corp of bureaucrats they were always reliant on various noble families for administrators. Eventually those noble families (along with various buddhist organizations and splinters of the Imperial nobility which would eventually become the samurai) managed to carve out permanent tax-exempt fiefs for themselves, which they passed down along hereditary lines in all but name, and the central government continued on paper but was reduced to handing out entirely ceremonial titles

[KingKickAss]

I think if the rest of Asia was off the table, the right side of the map wouldn't be ripped as if there was another piece missing.

[Delta-Kilo]

This game is focused on Europe and the Middle East primarily. Mongolia, India, and West Africa are likely included only because of their historic influence upon those regions. Japan and South Africa had no such impact. Japan was in the midst of internal convulsions throughout most the the game's timeline and South Africa, was mostly occupied by a few bands of tribal nomads. Neither region had much political, cultural or economic impact on anyone else. It's pretty safe to say no one in Europe even knew those lands existed (yes, I know merchants in the Middle East were quite aware, at least about the East African city-states)
While I wouldn't be shocked if they were eventually included in the game, and would be quite willing play a game with those regions included, I don't think it would make a whole lot of sense for Paradox to do so.

[Stephen9265]

Judging from how you talked about japan instead of china when you think about east asia, you probably don't know much history. So basically there is just too little information about southern Africa around this time, and China is too big and its government is too different from the ones featured in this game, obviously this changed with the new dlc about administrative empires, so china or at least part of it might appear in the future.

[Abacus]

Originally posted by qwert9265:

Judging from how you talked about japan instead of china when you think about east asia, you probably don't know much history. So basically there is just too little information about southern Africa around this time, and China is too big and its government is too different from the ones featured in this game, obviously this changed with the new dlc about administrative empires, so china or at least part of it might appear in the future.

Actually china had an admin government that is very similar in a general sense to what they added with RtP. Like even down to the oligarchical control scheme.

My biggest hint on getting west China and Mongolia. Is a hint on the paper map, where there is a clear crease. (The shading has no mountain range near it or any other feature, it's a legit crease.)

(As a side, I'd rather get a flavor expansion on Africa, rather then an extension. I feel like they will do India first, but Africa would be awesome. Maybe they will be with the tribal exp in 2026.)