Pushing my wifes claim?

[Cybot]

My wife was the princess of Poland, her dad was king.
I married her for the alliance with Poland.

Some rebellion happaned and her dad was deposed and I lost the alliance, some random kid is now king.

However, for 2k prestige, I can declear war to put my wife on the Polish throne.

Is that a good idea? Will she leave my court? Will it be positive or negative for me if she becomes queen of Poland?

[jpcerutti]

She'll still be your wife, but will be in and run her own court. She will not show up in any of your court/administrative slots (including the spouse slot) UNLESS she is a vassal. As a vassal she'll be there. She has to be a lower rank than you to be a vassal, but she should then automatically become one if you press her claim (and are emperor rank).

Your heirs ARE her heirs unless the inheritance runs in a way that excludes them. A heir will inherit as the successor to both old and new lands combined - depending on culture, law, title conditions, religion, etc.

How much actual land will you/she directly control and how many gained vassals? Will she face revolution, murder, and rebellion? Can you give continuous support (military and financial) if she needs it? Do you want to expand and have 2K prestige to burn?

Probably? Make a save you can then go back to if it turns into a fiasco and give it a shot. I do that with all sorts of things, is fun as hell. :)

[Bloodartist]

Originally posted by Cybot:

My wife was the princess of Poland, her dad was king.
I married her for the alliance with Poland.

Some rebellion happaned and her dad was deposed and I lost the alliance, some random kid is now king.

However, for 2k prestige, I can declear war to put my wife on the Polish throne.

Is that a good idea? Will she leave my court? Will it be positive or negative for me if she becomes queen of Poland?

If your courtier gains a title, they will always leave your court to rule whatever the title is. So yes, she will leave.

[Urk_da_WAAAGH!]

As said before, she will leave your court to rule her own land.

However check the succession of her tittle because most probably your heir is her heir too what is a good way to get a bunch of land in just a few decades.

[jerrypocalypse]

To add to the above, if you want to press her claim, you'll need to do it before the kid ruling Poland is an adult, assuming Poland is current Catholic (or any faith that's male dominated). You can only press claims for women for male dominated faiths if the ruler you're pressing it against is also a woman, a child, or I believe inept in some way.

[Sheik Yerbouti]

As stated, she'll leave your Court and you'll lose her as a Council member, but her heir will be your heir/Character when your current Ruler dies, so you'll end up being King of Poland.

Then you can spend some time bein a Tyrant and installing your Dynasty to all the Land.

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by Cybot:

My wife was the princess of Poland, her dad was king.
I married her for the alliance with Poland.

Some rebellion happaned and her dad was deposed and I lost the alliance, some random kid is now king.

However, for 2k prestige, I can declear war to put my wife on the Polish throne.

Is that a good idea? Will she leave my court? Will it be positive or negative for me if she becomes queen of Poland?

Always a bad Idea, because the AI is very bad in this Game.

If you make your Wife, a Ruler of their own, she will start cheating on you, because of many broken Events and since she is then, a Ruler, she can decide alone to go on Activities.

Wifes, Heirs + Back-up Heirs should be keep as Courtiers, until your current Character dies.

[jerrypocalypse]

Originally posted by Emperor2000:

Originally posted by Cybot:

My wife was the princess of Poland, her dad was king.
I married her for the alliance with Poland.

Some rebellion happaned and her dad was deposed and I lost the alliance, some random kid is now king.

However, for 2k prestige, I can declear war to put my wife on the Polish throne.

Is that a good idea? Will she leave my court? Will it be positive or negative for me if she becomes queen of Poland?

Always a bad Idea, because the AI is very bad in this Game.

If you make your Wife, a Ruler of their own, she will start cheating on you, because of many broken Events and since she is then, a Ruler, she can decide alone to go on Activities.

Wifes, Heirs + Back-up Heirs should be keep as Courtiers, until your current Character dies.

Please take this post with a heavy grain of salt. Can your wife cheat on you if they're a ruler? Yes, but they can do so as well in your own court. They're not inherently going to if they're elsewhere.

There also aren't nearly as many "broken" events as they claim.

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by jerrypocalypse:

Originally posted by Emperor2000:

Always a bad Idea, because the AI is very bad in this Game.

If you make your Wife, a Ruler of their own, she will start cheating on you, because of many broken Events and since she is then, a Ruler, she can decide alone to go on Activities.

Wifes, Heirs + Back-up Heirs should be keep as Courtiers, until your current Character dies.

Please take this post with a heavy grain of salt. Can your wife cheat on you if they're a ruler? Yes, but they can do so as well in your own court. They're not inherently going to if they're elsewhere.

There also aren't nearly as many "broken" events as they claim.

Have you read the Patch Notes of the Unofficial Patch Mod, there are more than enough broken Events, who are simply missing the Might Cheat on Partner Trigger.

And no, keeping the Spouse as Courtier will prevent mostly, that the Spouse cheats on you.
Because you are the Court Owner and this will give any Seduce Schemes against Spouses, a huge Penalty, if you have an higher Rank, than the Actor.

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Theres a HUGE downside to this.

If your wife dies your heir leaves and becomes King of Poland. If she dies young he'll be a kid prolly. And then theres the fidelity issue.
Having a Landed heir is a great way to get him traits like Drunkard, Irritant, Dynastic Kinslayer. Better to keep him in a comfy, stress-free home.

[jerrypocalypse]

Originally posted by Sheik Yerbouti:

Theres a HUGE downside to this.

If your wife dies your heir leaves and becomes King of Poland. If she dies young he'll be a kid prolly. And then theres the fidelity issue.
Having a Landed heir is a great way to get him traits like Drunkard, Irritant, Dynastic Kinslayer. Better to keep him in a comfy, stress-free home.

If that happens, it's fairly easy to disinherit him from your own titles, giving all your things to one of your younger children. In that case you end up playing the brother of the King of Poland, and can either form an fairly powerful alliance or press that character's own claims to Poland that they inherited from their mother. It's really a win-win.

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by jerrypocalypse:

Originally posted by Sheik Yerbouti:

Theres a HUGE downside to this.

If your wife dies your heir leaves and becomes King of Poland. If she dies young he'll be a kid prolly. And then theres the fidelity issue.
Having a Landed heir is a great way to get him traits like Drunkard, Irritant, Dynastic Kinslayer. Better to keep him in a comfy, stress-free home.

If that happens, it's fairly easy to disinherit him from your own titles, giving all your things to one of your younger children. In that case you end up playing the brother of the King of Poland, and can either form an fairly powerful alliance or press that character's own claims to Poland that they inherited from their mother. It's really a win-win.

This is true. All her kids will have claims on the Kingdom.
Disinheriting a Landed is 50% more costly, at least. And a King?...might be double. Never tried that before.

Theres a lotta variables we dont know. Power/Str of OP and of Poland, just for starts.

If OP does not press wifes claim, heir is still gonna have an unpressed claim.

[jerrypocalypse]

Originally posted by Sheik Yerbouti:

Originally posted by jerrypocalypse:

If that happens, it's fairly easy to disinherit him from your own titles, giving all your things to one of your younger children. In that case you end up playing the brother of the King of Poland, and can either form an fairly powerful alliance or press that character's own claims to Poland that they inherited from their mother. It's really a win-win.

This is true. All her kids will have claims on the Kingdom.
Disinheriting a Landed is 50% more costly, at least. And a King?...might be double. Never tried that before.

Theres a lotta variables we dont know. Power/Str of OP and of Poland, just for starts.

If OP does not press wifes claim, heir is still gonna have an unpressed claim.

If they're debating on pressing the claim, it seems safe to assume they're at least equivalent in power to Poland at the moment. If they're not, the topic is moot anyway.

It's very likely going to be easier to fight Poland while the ruler is a child and is unlikely to have any alliances yet. If they wait until their wife passes so that their heir has claims to Poland, it's increasingly like that Poland will have alliances by that point, the King will have higher stats, and it'll be a bit more difficult or involved to wage the war.

Obviously we're speaking more general with the limited information we have.

[Cybot]

Thank you all, a lot of information. I now have a way better overview of the pros and cons :)

[Danny]

If you both have the same primary heir, you will have two kingdoms eventually ^^

[jpcerutti]

Originally posted by jerrypocalypse:

To add to the above, if you want to press her claim, you'll need to do it before the kid ruling Poland is an adult, assuming Poland is current Catholic (or any faith that's male dominated). You can only press claims for women for male dominated faiths if the ruler you're pressing it against is also a woman, a child, or I believe inept in some way.

Just FYI, but excommunication, if you are not using that, is 'open season' on any ruler. If you can get the Pope to excommunicate them you can press any claim.