i have empire with 2 kingdoms

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i have an empire , can i delete title of my old kingdom and keep the second kingdom?

[pauloandrade224]

yes but its better to just keep the title. after all ull get more money from ur vassals that way

[Toblm]

Yes, but why?

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Originally posted by pauloandrade224:

yes but its better to just keep the title. after all ull get more money from ur vassals that way

i am still in early medieval i have to wait to late medieval time to get Primogeniture, then i will keep kingdoms

[Toblm]

Originally posted by Kimya_Hadaba:

Originally posted by pauloandrade224:

yes but its better to just keep the title. after all ull get more money from ur vassals that way

i am still in early medieval i have to wait to late medieval time to get Primogeniture, then i will keep kingdoms

Sounds like an excellent opportunity to practice succession optimization.

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Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by Kimya_Hadaba:

i am still in early medieval i have to wait to late medieval time to get Primogeniture, then i will keep kingdoms

Sounds like an excellent opportunity to practice succession optimization.

yep i made Hispania , Saraqusta and aquatine kingdoms, Aquatine is more bigger so i will keep it and delete saraqusta for now

[Toblm]

Originally posted by Kimya_Hadaba:

Originally posted by Toblm:

Sounds like an excellent opportunity to practice succession optimization.

yep i made Hispania , Saraqusta and aquatine kingdoms, Aquatine is more bigger so i will keep it and delete saraqusta for now

What I was suggesting was keeping all the titles and pruning your heirs at the appropriate time to ensure unified inheritance.

If you want to maintain a large centralized kingdom prior to Primogeniture either heir pruning or post succession wars of unification are needed. Kingdom deletion isnt going to keep things going for long. You are costing yourself prestige income and will eventually run into vassal limits.

[pauloandrade224]

Originally posted by Kimya_Hadaba:

Originally posted by pauloandrade224:

yes but its better to just keep the title. after all ull get more money from ur vassals that way

i am still in early medieval i have to wait to late medieval time to get Primogeniture, then i will keep kingdoms

i understand but u pretty much do keep them if ur an empire title. so dont worry about it at all. I like that my kids get the kingdoms as long as they are in my empire . its still mine after all.

[pauloandrade224]

Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by Kimya_Hadaba:

yep i made Hispania , Saraqusta and aquatine kingdoms, Aquatine is more bigger so i will keep it and delete saraqusta for now

What I was suggesting was keeping all the titles and pruning your heirs at the appropriate time to ensure unified inheritance.

If you want to maintain a large centralized kingdom prior to Primogeniture either heir pruning or post succession wars of unification are needed. Kingdom deletion isnt going to keep things going for long. You are costing yourself prestige income and will eventually run into vassal limits.

very risky tho ur 1 disease away from a game over that way

[Toblm]

Originally posted by pauloandrade224:

Originally posted by Toblm:

What I was suggesting was keeping all the titles and pruning your heirs at the appropriate time to ensure unified inheritance.

If you want to maintain a large centralized kingdom prior to Primogeniture either heir pruning or post succession wars of unification are needed. Kingdom deletion isnt going to keep things going for long. You are costing yourself prestige income and will eventually run into vassal limits.

very risky tho ur 1 disease away from a game over that way

No more than usual if managed properly. One can still keep plenty of family the wings and outside the main line of inheritance. Daughters are a hell of a tool.

[pauloandrade224]

Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by pauloandrade224:

very risky tho ur 1 disease away from a game over that way

No more than usual if managed properly. One can still keep plenty of family the wings and outside the main line of inheritance. Daughters are a hell of a tool.

oh i getcha. Il still just play normally tho thats too cheezy and evil for me.

[Toblm]

Originally posted by pauloandrade224:

Originally posted by Toblm:

No more than usual if managed properly. One can still keep plenty of family the wings and outside the main line of inheritance. Daughters are a hell of a tool.

oh i getcha. Il still just play normally tho thats too cheezy and evil for me.

Its not that cheesy and certainly not inherently evil. When I say pruning, killing off children is only one of the options, forcing vows is my preference, disinheriting is another option. Its also historically grounded. The Catholic church was entirely populated by 2nd sons for a millennia.

The point was to offer OP an alternative to deleting a perfectly good title, while maintaining their desired level of centralized power, which appears to have no place at the moment for kingdom sized vassals.

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Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by pauloandrade224:

oh i getcha. Il still just play normally tho thats too cheezy and evil for me.

Its not that cheesy and certainly not inherently evil. When I say pruning, killing off children is only one of the options, forcing vows is my preference, disinheriting is another option. Its also historically grounded. The Catholic church was entirely populated by 2nd sons for a millennia.

The point was to offer OP an alternative to deleting a perfectly good title, while maintaining their desired level of centralized power, which appears to have no place at the moment for kingdom sized vassals.

i can have like 40 dukes something like that for vassal limit?

[jpcerutti]

Keep the title.

Because you will then remain their "rightful" liege. The vassal owes allegiance to the title, not the ruler, and all vassals/titles are 'nested rightfully'. An Empire has their kings, those kingdoms have their duchies, those duchies have their counties, and those counties have their domains. It is grouped largely by historical organization and any of those can 'drift' out of their alignments and into new ones, but that takes time.

Rightful liege gives bonuses - if you are not there are penalties.

[pauloandrade224]

Originally posted by Kimya_Hadaba:

Originally posted by Toblm:

Its not that cheesy and certainly not inherently evil. When I say pruning, killing off children is only one of the options, forcing vows is my preference, disinheriting is another option. Its also historically grounded. The Catholic church was entirely populated by 2nd sons for a millennia.

The point was to offer OP an alternative to deleting a perfectly good title, while maintaining their desired level of centralized power, which appears to have no place at the moment for kingdom sized vassals.

i can have like 40 dukes something like that for vassal limit?

U dont want to have 40 dukes. 2 kings is like so much better because the dukes cant rebel against you only ur kings . like 2 dudes over 40 dudes to keep peaceful is like 100000 times better. NOT to mention the whole rightful liege thing too.

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Originally posted by pauloandrade224:

Originally posted by Kimya_Hadaba:

i can have like 40 dukes something like that for vassal limit?

U dont want to have 40 dukes. 2 kings is like so much better because the dukes cant rebel against you only ur kings . like 2 dudes over 40 dudes to keep peaceful is like 100000 times better. NOT to mention the whole rightful liege thing too.

i understand your point but i don't want powerful kings against me in the future.
but i can make those kings like me and in alliance with them right better, that what you mean?