Heir but not player heir

[Louise]

Hi all, I've seen a few similar questions but still don't have the answer so was wondering if anyone could help?

I have recently started playing and have been doing to the 11th century Ireland game. Have had a couple of restarts and on this one, I didn't have a player heir. On the person I would assume was heir (firstborn male), it says they are successors to most/all of my titles, but they are still not the successor or player heir.

It seems it's something to do with my dynasty's rules, but I don't seem to be able to change anything as I don't have the crown authority. In a previous game, there were elections for heir rather than it happening automatically, but that doesn't seem to be the case on this one.

Can anyone let me know why this run-through is different and if there's anything I can do. It seems I can opt to carry on playing with the character who would be the heir, so maybe it doesn't matter ... I'm more inclined to think it probably affects something though!

Thanks!

[Purest Warrior]

I think we need some more info:

What is your primary title and rank?
Are you tribal or feudal?
Which kind of succession do you have?
Do you have children and what sex are they?

Oh and are you using mods?

[PostalGibbon]

You have either elective law in your primary title or in multiple titles and there is vote going on who inherit titles when you die.

Or you have succession law that forces example youngest son to inherit or house seniority where oldest house member always inherit (and these can come from innovations, title laws or from culture ethos).

Or you did not pay attention and changed your heir from oldest son to something else from one particular royal court event where your wife comes to you and starts praising one of your children (that is not current heir) and want you to change heir to person she is praising.

Your succession tab will tell you what titles goes to who when you die.

[Louise]

Title is Petty King, level is Duchy (I think!)

Feudal

Succession: male preference

Eldest child is male, then a daughter

No elective law as far as I can tell - I've seen this in previous games but haven't had an election this time

Can't see anything like that in succession law - it just says male preference. Where might I see other details like that?

I haven't changed anything on the heirs and it makes a point of saying there is no heir - if I click on the shield on the bottom right, it shows my son at the bottom right under succession (but doesn't specifically say he is heir or player heir). If I go into 'succession' on the realm menu it say I have no heir

Yes to mods - is it that? Any ideas which might cause this or is that a 'how long is a piece of string' question?

[jpcerutti]

The windowing lags, sometimes by a full month or more, as heirs change due to birth, death, and elective realignment. Don't know if you debug/edit or not, but you can always save, kill your character, see who inherits, and then reload.

Sometimes you need to click on the counties you own to see if they are under a different elective law/succession than your house is. Sometimes you need to click on a particular claim/title to see the succession law tied to it. Your titles are run under house preference UNLESS any particullar land/title is tied to some special elective law.

The larger you get, the more confusing and interwoven different title succession can be, especially in the north, as things are tied to cultures, hybrid cultures, innovations, law levels, and special rules.

[CrUsHeR]

The heir in the character window is often not up to date. Just like the "heir to x, y, z" info in the character tooltips.

For yourself, you can check your succession tab (under realm / f2 key). This always displays the correct distribution of titles.

For other rulers, you need to click on their primary title. The succession order on the bottom should be correct, and their primary heir icon should be updated as well from visiting this screen.

[Louise]

Okay thanks - so the succession definitely says no heir, but I'm still none the wiser as to why!

[jerrypocalypse]

Originally posted by Louise:

Okay thanks - so the succession definitely says no heir, but I'm still none the wiser as to why!

Is your son a bastard or disinherited by chance? A screenshot may help here.

[mutantmuppet]

or from another dynasty that was born prior to your becoming that character

[Louise]

I don't think so to either of those - it was the direct son of the first Irish king you play on the tutorial and then the same for his firstborn too.

Will take a screenshot when next in the game

[jerrypocalypse]

It's starting to seem more and more like it might be a mod issue. I don't use any for CK3, so I wouldn't have a clue which would could be the cause though. A list of the mods you're using might help others identify the culprit though if that's the case

[CrUsHeR]

Technically, you cannot have "no heir" at all.

At minimum, the game would pick a random courtier lowborn.

[jpcerutti]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Technically, you cannot have "no heir" at all.

At minimum, the game would pick a random courtier lowborn.

OR notify you at the top of the screen specifically that you have no heir. If that notification is not there they have a heir - they just don't have a portrait in the character window.

[hannahrr]

I just had a distant cousin 6 times removed take over as player heir about a nanosecond before I died as King of Scotland in 1217. The new King is from somewhere in Africa that was the child of the OG king and a concubine from the early 700s. Suddenly he's head of the dynasty, king, and is the target of a holy war from all sides. This is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Louise]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Technically, you cannot have "no heir" at all.

At minimum, the game would pick a random courtier lowborn.

Nope, in this instance, the game just ended when I died. No successor at all!

[Louise]

Originally posted by jpcerutti:

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Technically, you cannot have "no heir" at all.

At minimum, the game would pick a random courtier lowborn.

OR notify you at the top of the screen specifically that you have no heir. If that notification is not there they have a heir - they just don't have a portrait in the character window.

Yes, this is what happened, though there seemed to be no option for me to change anything that would give me an heir.