How do I make murder illegal?

[Forblaze]

One of my vassals killed another of my vassals. He got the traits 'Murderer' and 'Familial KInslayer' for it. Everyone involved (including myself) is insular christian, which has the doctrine Dynastic Kinslaying is criminal. If I were to imprison him, I would gain a tyranny penalty.

The person he killed is technically from another dynasty, but dynastic kinslaying seems to me to be presented as the most restrictive version of the kinslaying law. Is it really meant to allow you your wife to butcher your kids just because they aren't born into her dynasty? How can I just make murder illegal in general?

[Aldon]

Murder is illegal, but you are not the judge, but the liege! That's what the players like to think. But I agree with you that there should be a secular court where the king has a pardon right, as it was in most Catholic countries.

[Forblaze]

Originally posted by Aldon:

Murder is illegal, but you are not the judge, but the liege! That's what the players like to think. But I agree with you that there should be a secular court where the king has a pardon right, as it was in most Catholic countries.

I sort of get what you're trying to say, but I'm constantly being reminded by the game that I can imprison every woman in the kingdom for the crime of getting ♥♥♥♥. The point of crime doctrines is to let you imprison people, no?

[meraco]

Originally posted by Aldon:

But I agree with you that there should be a secular court where the king has a pardon right, as it was in most Catholic countries.

Theres a $30.00 DLC for ya....

[doroboro]

It's not that's it's not illegal, it's that is not possible to enforce due to lack of a centralized police and court systems. However, murderer becomes a social signifier that even though people at large can't do anything about the alleged murderer, they can still get ostracized socially.

[Rheinmetall]

Have a look at https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Court#Crime

Note that simply "Murder" is not listed as a crime, because you're not the sheriff of the world. The technical crimes that exist for murder are:

- Attempted To Murder Me
- Attempted To Murder Family Member
- Murdered Family Member

You can add some more by having a religion with the correct traits, like:

- Known Kinslayer (Character has a Trait Kinslayer and faith has the criminal Doctrine kinslaying doctrine for its severity)

There's also other ways to "make" someone a criminal if you want to jail them, you don't need to bother with technicalities like "you actually committed a murder". You're a feudal lord! For example, you could simply denounce them if you're their house head, or excommunicate them if you're the head of faith.