Newbie question--marriages for courtiers?

[Flankdust]

I'm a few hours into my first game and realize everyone in my court except my children are unmarried and it looks like I'm supposed to find them spouses. What's the point? What should I be looking for in matches?

[Rex is back, baby!]

Female courtesan are great in matrilineal marriages to high quality foreign male courtiers.

But yes you're the matchmaker.
You want to look for stats and traits to either stack your family's genetica or empower your loyal vassals

[angel of derp]

Landless people generally have lower fertility by the rules of the game (to avoid bogging things down at endgame), so there's less reason to marry off your court. They'll have extramarital sex anyway, and females will get pregnant if the RNG gods so desire.

Really not much point in marrying off your court.

EDIT: MAYBE if you want to avoid a key courtier from leaving your court while you are traveling together (since there's an event where they'll ask to leave your court to be with their true love)... but in most cases, why bother? Get a new physician or whatever.

[Flankdust]

No vassals yet. My bishop is an idiot--if I find him a learned spouse will he perform better?

[jerrypocalypse]

Use marriages to bring in more courtiers with inheritable traits to breed future spouses for your own kids or to breed good knights and future councilors or court positions holders

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by angel of derp:

Landless people generally have lower fertility by the rules of the game (to avoid bogging things down at endgame), so there's less reason to marry off your court. They'll have extramarital sex anyway, and females will get pregnant if the RNG gods so desire.

Really not much point in marrying off your court.

EDIT: MAYBE if you want to avoid a key courtier from leaving your court while you are traveling together (since there's an event where they'll ask to leave your court to be with their true love)... but in most cases, why bother? Get a new physician or whatever.

This is simply not true for CK3, Please read the Game Files before writing.

In CK3, they changed how Characters get Childs, through the Living Child Limit, every Character has a Living Child Limit based on their TIer or the Tier of their Parents, but most important, in CK3 Courtiers don't have an reduced Fertility anymore, but because they are only a Courtier without important Parents, their Living Child Limit is 1.

The unlanded Son of an Emperor get 5 Childs, before reaching his Living Child Limit.


This System, makes it so, that in Order, to have a Son, you need to execute your Daughters, if the Game gives you only Daughters, because dead Childs are not counted.

[jpcerutti]

Originally posted by Emperor2000:

Originally posted by angel of derp:

Landless people generally have lower fertility by the rules of the game (to avoid bogging things down at endgame), so there's less reason to marry off your court. They'll have extramarital sex anyway, and females will get pregnant if the RNG gods so desire.

Really not much point in marrying off your court.

EDIT: MAYBE if you want to avoid a key courtier from leaving your court while you are traveling together (since there's an event where they'll ask to leave your court to be with their true love)... but in most cases, why bother? Get a new physician or whatever.

This is simply not true for CK3, Please read the Game Files before writing.

In CK3, they changed how Characters get Childs, through the Living Child Limit, every Character has a Living Child Limit based on their TIer or the Tier of their Parents, but most important, in CK3 Courtiers don't have an reduced Fertility anymore, but because they are only a Courtier without important Parents, their Living Child Limit is 1.

The unlanded Son of an Emperor get 5 Childs, before reaching his Living Child Limit.


This System, makes it so, that in Order, to have a Son, you need to execute your Daughters, if the Game gives you only Daughters, because dead Childs are not counted.

While you are mostly correct there are multiple exceptions. Having the trait "fecund" adds to the child limit. Having multiple wives adds to the child limit - since the limit is placed on the woman and there is no limit on a man (that includes monogamy - if you remarry after a divorce or death of spouse). Affairs/lovers do not seem to invoke the child limit (I've seen peasant court women with 8 children before if they have multiple lovers).

[nullpo]

usually i use courtier marriage to get free knights.

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by jpcerutti:

Originally posted by Emperor2000:

This is simply not true for CK3, Please read the Game Files before writing.

In CK3, they changed how Characters get Childs, through the Living Child Limit, every Character has a Living Child Limit based on their TIer or the Tier of their Parents, but most important, in CK3 Courtiers don't have an reduced Fertility anymore, but because they are only a Courtier without important Parents, their Living Child Limit is 1.

The unlanded Son of an Emperor get 5 Childs, before reaching his Living Child Limit.


This System, makes it so, that in Order, to have a Son, you need to execute your Daughters, if the Game gives you only Daughters, because dead Childs are not counted.

While you are mostly correct there are multiple exceptions. Having the trait "fecund" adds to the child limit. Having multiple wives adds to the child limit - since the limit is placed on the woman and there is no limit on a man (that includes monogamy - if you remarry after a divorce or death of spouse). Affairs/lovers do not seem to invoke the child limit (I've seen peasant court women with 8 children before if they have multiple lovers).

The Limit is for both Men and Women and Fecund gives no extra Living Child Limit, it only increase Fertility by +50%.
The only thing, which is for Women exclusive, is that they lose 5% of their Fertility for every Child they have.

But Bastards do not count towards the Living Child Limit, for Men, until it is discovered, for Women, they always count,

[jpcerutti]

I have honestly seen peasants with 8 children. I regularly remarry mayors so they have more children, male OR female mayors, peasant or titled, because they WILL have more children. If I scroll through a list of courtiers and see a woman with more than two children I have my spymaster look for the secret affair because i KNOW it is there.

Now, what do they (unlanded peasants) usually have? 0 children, and occasionally a single one. If the undiscovered affair covers making the women unlimited then that could explain it - but remarrying and affairs definitely ups your child limit, man or woman.

Add: Maybe it goes by the least limited partner? Random peasant woman with a landed lover? Peasant woman with multiple random anybodys? Per marriage? Something has to explain the peasant with multiple children and it isn't that they were related to an Emperor at some point.

[Delta-Kilo]

The main point of marrying off your courtiers- adding worthy people to your court. I make a point of matrilinial marriages of my female courtiers to bring in good knights for example. Marry your male courtiers to ladies who bring in good traits, claims, and skills.
As a historic aside, folks in the King/Queen's court couldn't marry without the sovereign's permission. Hence, in-game, you are the match-maker.

[jpcerutti]

Originally posted by Emperor2000:

Originally posted by jpcerutti:

While you are mostly correct there are multiple exceptions. Having the trait "fecund" adds to the child limit. Having multiple wives adds to the child limit - since the limit is placed on the woman and there is no limit on a man (that includes monogamy - if you remarry after a divorce or death of spouse). Affairs/lovers do not seem to invoke the child limit (I've seen peasant court women with 8 children before if they have multiple lovers).

The Limit is for both Men and Women and Fecund gives no extra Living Child Limit, it only increase Fertility by +50%.
The only thing, which is for Women exclusive, is that they lose 5% of their Fertility for every Child they have.

But Bastards do not count towards the Living Child Limit, for Men, until it is discovered, for Women, they always count,

I found this tucked into a workshop guide:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Children limits:
Each couple has a (presumably soft) limit for how many children they will have. The base starting numbers are as follows:

Unlanded = 1
Baron = 1
Count = 2
Duke = 3
King = 5
Emperor = 5

Landed characters then have their limit increased by 2. This is added to the above numbers.
There is also a 50% chance that the limit is lowered by 1

The player automatically has this increased by 2
Each secondary spouse or concubine increases the limit by 2
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
If the game calculation is done "per couple" that would explain how child numbers can (and do) exceed those limits with remarriage and affairs.

[zoleeeee28]

I have 4 unmarried females in my court, why are there absolutely 0 possible husbands for them? I have no filter on, but yet "No valid characters found" for all of them.
I tried a male too, it just showed two characters, but they were both from my court.

[jerrypocalypse]

Originally posted by zoleeeee28:

I have 4 unmarried females in my court, why are there absolutely 0 possible husbands for them? I have no filter on, but yet "No valid characters found" for all of them.
I tried a male too, it just showed two characters, but they were both from my court.

If your realm is far away from others (like Iceland) or if you have a hostile faith to your neighbors, you're going to have very few or sometimes no options for lowborns. When you choose the "find spouse" option, it's only going to show characters that have an acceptance above 0 for the selected character

[zoleeeee28]

Actually i am in South-Hungary.

[Karsh]

Originally posted by zoleeeee28:

Actually i am in South-Hungary.

if your legtimicy is very low people don't wanna marry in your court , same for diffirent religion . also some cultures has traditions making it harder to marry