Horrible Inheritance Mechanic Ruining My Games

[diogobigateixeira]

Imagine playing with a Queen. You marry matrillineally and have a son. Then husband dies, you remarry, you have son N2. Then you die and play with son n1 of course. Now notice who is your heir. You would expect it to be your little half brother right? He is your mother's son, Prince of your Kingdom. But NO. Just no. Your heir will be your father's closest kin. Maybe an older half brother with zero relation to your kingdom or even your dynasty (your are mom's dynasty remember?) or even some uncle or cousin not related to all your previous monarchs. so if you die is just game over. If this happens to a vassal a random guy not related to the previous ruling family would became your new vassal.

This ruins the game for me everytime this happens. It is just so meaningless having a cousin succeeded to a ancestral throne being 0 related to that throne previous holders when you have a half brother being the fully rightful heir.

This is like Cersei getting the Iron Throne just because she was Tommen's mother. This would be like Prince Philip Duke of Edinburgh getting the throne if Queen Elizabeth died and then their children died too. It just an horrible bug. And even worse, this didn't happen in CK2. Then it was just perfect inheritance mechanics.

PLEASE somebody do something. please...´
(posted in workshop discussion too)

[ShepherdOfCats]

I thought lines of succession were traced better in CK2.

I remember once that I inherited a kingdom from someone I was barely related to. Somehow, I guess through infertility or whatever, some branch of the family tree just. . . died out, and I guess I was the closest relative the game could find.

I am glad that they did fix Ck3 so that if you inherited a title from your father, then you died, it went to a sibling instead of jumping back to your (non-dynasty) mother and ending your ironman game. That was hell , when the game first released.

[=M$= Oroberus]

Origineel geplaatst door diogobigateixeira:

Origineel geplaatst door =M$= Oroberus:

Phew, bro has over 3k hours in this and still doesn't understand how succession works or how to change it with 3 clicks or how to take care that it doesn't screw him over while there's even a specific warnung that would pop up in his specific example what is about to happen of his ruler dies?

At some point it's just not possible anymore to help some people I guess

I don't need your help, and I understand how it works, but I find it terrible, and super unrealistic having a random guy inheriting like this: https://ibb.co/PwXJpKy or this https://ibb.co/2dk97BD

No, you obviously don't understand it when this 'constantly collides' with your own succession plans as if you would understand it, you would take measures to prevent it xD

[diogobigateixeira]

Origineel geplaatst door =M$= Oroberus:

Origineel geplaatst door diogobigateixeira:

I don't need your help, and I understand how it works, but I find it terrible, and super unrealistic having a random guy inheriting like this: https://ibb.co/PwXJpKy or this https://ibb.co/2dk97BD

No, you obviously don't understand it when this 'constantly collides' with your own succession plans as if you would understand it, you would take measures to prevent it xD

There is no preventing a vassal or a foreign ruler suddenly dying in battle or with a plague

[diogobigateixeira]

Origineel geplaatst door ShepherdOfCats:

I thought lines of succession were traced better in CK2.

Exactly!!! Finally someone who gets it.

[jpcerutti]

Origineel geplaatst door ShepherdOfCats:

I thought lines of succession were traced better in CK2.

I remember once that I inherited a kingdom from someone I was barely related to. Somehow, I guess through infertility or whatever, some branch of the family tree just. . . died out, and I guess I was the closest relative the game could find.

I am glad that they did fix Ck3 so that if you inherited a title from your father, then you died, it went to a sibling instead of jumping back to your (non-dynasty) mother and ending your ironman game. That was hell , when the game first released.

That did suck. A lot of the mechanics of the game have improved from first release.

If you think the entire world should run off a single model of European inheritance law for 600 years then yes, CK2 did that better.

[=M$= Oroberus]

Origineel geplaatst door diogobigateixeira:

Origineel geplaatst door =M$= Oroberus:

No, you obviously don't understand it when this 'constantly collides' with your own succession plans as if you would understand it, you would take measures to prevent it xD

There is no preventing a vassal or a foreign ruler suddenly dying in battle or with a plague

True but you got all the possibilities to avoid their death influencing your own inheritance as you get notified that titles will be lost on death due to succession and if you ignore those, well, it's 100% on you

[diogobigateixeira]

Origineel geplaatst door =M$= Oroberus:

Origineel geplaatst door diogobigateixeira:

There is no preventing a vassal or a foreign ruler suddenly dying in battle or with a plague

True but you got all the possibilities to avoid their death influencing your own inheritance as you get notified that titles will be lost on death due to succession and if you ignore those, well, it's 100% on you

yeah its not just losing titles, it can also ruin marriage plans and has I said it also kills the immersion and supposed historicallity (dont know if word exists, im not english speaking haha) of the game. Like look at this absurd https://ibb.co/2dk97BD. This situation wouldnt lead to land loss because the heir is just a Count, but the HRE would suddenly have a danish prince ruling Italy, which is completely ridiculous imo.

Don't you agree the heir should be the half brother, who is a son of the previous character played? The danish Royal Family shouldnt even be in the line, it should be Matilda's family (which in this case doesnt exist but possible sisters, uncles, cousins she had)

Btw this is another conversation but imo I believe that thing in Crown Authority 3 saying titles can't be inherited by outside rulers (preventing the issue you are talking about), should be in Crown Authority 2 instead. But as I said this is just a personal opinion/preference

[diogobigateixeira]

Origineel geplaatst door jpcerutti:

If you think the entire world should run off a single model of European inheritance law for 600 years then yes, CK2 did that better.

Nah I'm not saying the inheritance laws were better in CK2. Its just this specific issue with primogeniture and partition were a paternal family replaces the maternal family even if it was from the maternal family that the title was inherited.

[jpcerutti]

Origineel geplaatst door diogobigateixeira:

Origineel geplaatst door jpcerutti:

If you think the entire world should run off a single model of European inheritance law for 600 years then yes, CK2 did that better.

Nah I'm not saying the inheritance laws were better in CK2. Its just this specific issue with primogeniture and partition were a paternal family replaces the maternal family even if it was from the maternal family that the title was inherited.

IF that was all that it was, you could simply change the preference to equal (or maternal) and it would work. That would do nothing to get a landed uncle selected over your unlanded father (or mother) if you died - the example you gave me.

If I am understanding your complaint correctly, it isn't that you can't set your succession up the way you would like it to work (which you can); it is that the rest of the world is doing it 'ahistorically' and wrong if it doesn't follow the CK2 model.

[HYPNOTOAD]

Origineel geplaatst door diogobigateixeira:

Origineel geplaatst door HYPNOTOAD:

Remember, women only inherit titles through matrineally marriage for this specific succession. The next one will be set to Male (Check your kingdom laws, it is male only inheritance, right?).

Nevertheless, that duke still young and hopefully survives and breeds another family member. Alternatively, erase Rohan house from being.

No, this also happens with male preference. And yes even if you have a brother from the same dynasty this will still happen. As I said previously this issue is not caused by gender laws. If Woman Ruler marries matril. has 1st son, then marries matril. again and has 2nd son and then dies the first son will succeed her but then his heir wont be the younger half brother because of this terrible issue. So if you die its game over, even if you have 10 same dynasty half brothers from your mother, your previous ruler, second marriage.

That Brittany example was just one time I noticed it was happening, but I could show you other cases like the one I described above.

And thank you very much for talking with me like a normal person instead of what the two guys you below did.

Edit: Just did a quick run to prove it, and here you have it: https://ibb.co/2dk97BD
As Matilda of Tuscany married danish prince, had son, he dies, marry again a venitian Prince, has 2nd son, I die. The new ruler's heir is not the half brother but the paternal uncle, altough both the mother's marriages were matrilineal (so same dynasty).
I think that image is pretty explanatory of how annoying this can be.

All this examples are with the character being played but this is more annoying when happens to vassals or neighboring countries, because suddenly a Kingdom of Poland can have a Portuguese King just because he married the Queen of Poland and she and her son died. Btw if she died childless it would be avoided and the throne would go to her sister/uncles/cousins

This also means everytime you play with a woman, when she dies all your previous rulers descendents (i.e. new characters uncles, cousins) are forever removed from sucession just because they are not from your father's side of the family

Thats ok bruv, do not get bother by the internet. yet, I still think the game is working alright. Im not saying you are wrong, I just did not got the same issue. By your username I would presume youre brazilian or portuguese? if so, feel free to DM me, you could check this together, because I still suppose this is related to only-male inheritance related.

[diogobigateixeira]

Origineel geplaatst door HYPNOTOAD:

Thats ok bruv, do not get bother by the internet. yet, I still think the game is working alright. Im not saying you are wrong, I just did not got the same issue. By your username I would presume youre brazilian or portuguese? if so, feel free to DM me, you could check this together, because I still suppose this is related to only-male inheritance related.

Já enviei pedido de amizade mano, muito obrigado por tentar entender e dar uma chance para eu poder demonstrar melhor.