Should I create as many titles as possible?

[Townsie]

Is it just a way to get prestige when i want it or is it actually a good thing? I understand that splitting land makes vassal uprises potentially weaker and you cant have more than 60 direct vassals, but other than that it seems not so good as it prolongens the vassal chain and therefore gives you less money.

[ste]

Only time I create a title is if I have to because vassal limit or I can keep it,

[someblk]

Originally posted by ste:

Only time I create a title is if I have to because vassal limit or I can keep it,

There are certainly other reasons but I can't think of them all off the top of my head... But just as one example I JUST created a title in my current game. Why? Well I'm a king, and I wanted to create the duchy title for my vassal who held the counties so I didn't suffer the gold/levy/opinion penalty for not being his direct liege.

[Sol]

NO. The number of titles you should make depends on your long term plans, and short term obstacles. If you have Confederate Partition, the worst thing ever is having several equal-rank titles at your highest tier - for instance, don't have 3 kingdom titles as a king. You want to have the optimal number of titles that achieve your goals of:
1. Special Duchy buildings in your duchy, the one you intend to own forever. Okay, maybe two of them, since you're allowed two duchies.
2. Sane Succession. If you're in Confederate Partition, have one kingdom and several duke and counties - you should start by giving your prime heir, right before your death, your main Duke and County. Then, give EACH other heir exactly ONE duchy and a county inside it, and a barony inside the county. This will ensure when you die, that your primary Kingdom title and any remaining counties goes to your prime heir. I believe it's Confederate Partition that will create all titles able to be created to dole out - may as well create them yourself to get the prestige bump. You can give unwanted Duke titles to old people with no heir and no wives. I love this arrangement because I get the title back on their death, unless someone slips into that title's succession without me noticing.

[Sol]

Originally posted by ste:

Only time I create a title is if I have to because vassal limit or I can keep it,

Ah, but then you move from one limit to the other. Instead of "too many counties", you will get "too many vassals". You just can't win. Paradox has done EVERYTHING possible to ensure this is a game about having a SMALL realm, not a big one.

Your best option is to create maybe 1-2 Super Dukes who love you and have traits that align with you AND your heir. When you need to dump off burdens, give them to one of your Super Dukes. They will hit the domain size limit on their own (then they will dole out titles and hit the too many vassals limit instead). This will cause them a LOT of problems, but it's THEIR problem instead of your problem. When he revolts or whatever, remember that you have a sane realm to draw armies from and he has the 100% over domain penalty and too many vassals penalty.

[Townsie]

I figured the "Create new titles"-thing out and how to not get split kingdoms (for britain I just went 1 county short of being able to create the kingdoms and therefore had no problem with that until i could make the empire) and am now in the "Dont make new titles"-succession.

So there is seemingly no inherent bonus which I didnt think of since I would still get more money from a direct vassal when im not the de jure holder than i would from the vassal when another vassal with the de jure title is between us.

[NorPhi]

If you are still in confederate partition don't bother creating titles you would loose, the game will create those for your heirs without depleting your treasury. If you move your capital outside of your main title the game will sometimes bug out and grant that title to your primary heir instead of their siblings.

Create titles if it would mean you keep land on succession (e.g. siblings will become vassals) or you are over your vassal limit and need to group some counts into a duchy.
Note, that most higher titles require that you own several of the lower titles, thus, I prefer of saving money to to last minute realm restructuring before my king dies (On that note: Your vassals have an Opinion of predecessor modifier, so don't go full tyrant while on deathbed).

[ste]

If you create a title, just to give it away for no reason, like not being over vassal limit, instead of getting income from like 8 vassals, you only get it from 1, and that 1 is alot less than the 8.