Siege weapons as a man-at-arm is bad idea.

[Tiber Septim]

I understand the men-at-arms function, also i understand there should be experienced soldiers to use these weapons too.

On the other hand, men-at-arms aren't cheap and they've limited room thus you can effectively siege just one or two region at one time. Basic rams and ladders aren't hard to construct, they can be constructed on region if there're enough woods. I think this should be a function or costly option for levy armies too.

[Dillinius Sandar]

100% agree, virtually everybody at this time knew about ladders and rams. the fact without catapults, that your army has to starve out every single settlement they attack is pretty stupid and contributes to every war you have taking way longer than it should. Can it really be that hard to create a ladder and ram mechanic or are the developers just that much of slackers?

[Païtiti]

Originally posted by Dillinius Sandarius:

100% agree, virtually everybody at this time knew about ladders and rams. the fact without catapults, that your army has to starve out every single settlement they attack is pretty stupid and contributes to every war you have taking way longer than it should. Can it really be that hard to create a ladder and ram mechanic or are the developers just that much of slackers?

Pls, get informed about warfare during this time.

Building a "ladder" or "ram" and put it to good use is not comparable to having siege weapons. Siege weapons completely changed the face of warfare that was stuck for a thousand years.

[The Blind One]

Originally posted by I`m a doctor!:

Building a "ladder" or "ram" and put it to good use is not comparable to having siege weapons. Siege weapons completely changed the face of warfare that was stuck for a thousand years.

Nah bro, didn't you hear that guy? Just get a ladder and a ram ... that's all you need to take down Constantinople.

Why bother with giant siege machines that try to get the advantage over even walls ... or try to break down walls with heavy gunfire such as cannons?

All you needed is to chop down a big tree and use the trunk as a ramming implement. Like my god! How did I not come up with that?!

This guy is a 50 stat martial war god, he's just way too smart for us, he even knows you can just use a ladder to get over the wall. Like hot damn ... why didn't I think of that?

Now if only they are as smart as me and don't invent a Y shaped long stick that you can attach to ladder ends, allowing you to prong their ladders and throw the besiegers back down a few half dozen meters into the ground with their heavy armor still on. You know ... I just can't think of ever doing something like that. I am defenseless against ladder guy over here.

[Eddie Latium]

You can already siege with any units, that's what probably the devs thought. However specialised sieging units are totally fitting, you don't need to wait too long to afford them anyway.

[Twelvefield]

Originally posted by EA Latium:

You can already siege with any units, that's what probably the devs thought. However specialised sieging units are totally fitting, you don't need to wait too long to afford them anyway.

Yes, this. I was involved in a couple of costly wars at the same time and won one, so to win the other (which was easy as the enemy was depleted), I disbanded half my doomstack to save some shekels. Unfortunately, I disbanded the half with all of the siege engines. I could still siege with the other guys, it just took a lot longer is all.

Just because the army on the map shows just one soldier does not mean that there aren't other people in the army, especially ones who could make and use ladders.

[corisai]

Originally posted by Twelvefield:

especially ones who could make and use ladders.

ladders are big fat fake. They never used in reality as tool to assault castles. Wood don't allow to make a ladder capable to reach castle walls.

[Tiber Septim]

Fair points guys. I guess I simplified the situation a little by just saying "rams and ladders".

My main suggestion was adding little siege power to armies without using siege machines as men-at-arms by a proper arragenment. Anyway, i give up.

[kaiyl_kariashi]

Originally posted by Tiber Septim:

Fair points guys. I guess I simplified the situation a little by just saying "rams and ladders".

My main suggestion was adding little siege power to armies without using siege machines as men-at-arms by a proper arragenment. Anyway, i give up.

they already have siege power. That's why you can siege at all.


However if you're a dedicated strategist, you can also get the Sappers perk that improves certain MAA with extra siege capability...though they're still completely inferior to even the onager.

[Twelvefield]

Originally posted by corisai:

Originally posted by Twelvefield:

especially ones who could make and use ladders.

ladders are big fat fake. They never used in reality as tool to assault castles. Wood don't allow to make a ladder capable to reach castle walls.

Gigantic springs, then. Paradox needs to add a "boyoyoing" sound effect to be historically accurate. Source: that Bugs Bunny cartoon where Yosemite Sam is a knight.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by Tiber Septim:

I understand the men-at-arms function, also i understand there should be experienced soldiers to use these weapons too.

Good that you mentioned that, because that is already in the game:

https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Lifestyle#Strategist

Sappers - +0.1 Siege Progress for every Archer, Heavy Infantry, Pikeman and Skirmisher

[Tiber Septim]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Good that you mentioned that, because that is already in the game:

https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Lifestyle#Strategist

Sappers - +0.1 Siege Progress for every Archer, Heavy Infantry, Pikeman and Skirmisher

I'm aware of there're modifiers, i just wanted an army "function" for more siege power. Based on technology, not on a main character.

[Sol]

Research Onagers.

[N*rd]

just look at onagers as Siege engineer specialists.

[primuspilus.hb]

Originally posted by The Blind One:

Originally posted by I`m a doctor!:

Building a "ladder" or "ram" and put it to good use is not comparable to having siege weapons. Siege weapons completely changed the face of warfare that was stuck for a thousand years.

Nah bro, didn't you hear that guy? Just get a ladder and a ram ... that's all you need to take down Constantinople.

Why bother with giant siege machines that try to get the advantage over even walls ... or try to break down walls with heavy gunfire such as cannons?

All you needed is to chop down a big tree and use the trunk as a ramming implement. Like my god! How did I not come up with that?!

This guy is a 50 stat martial war god, he's just way too smart for us, he even knows you can just use a ladder to get over the wall. Like hot damn ... why didn't I think of that?

Now if only they are as smart as me and don't invent a Y shaped long stick that you can attach to ladder ends, allowing you to prong their ladders and throw the besiegers back down a few half dozen meters into the ground with their heavy armor still on. You know ... I just can't think of ever doing something like that. I am defenseless against ladder guy over here.

Cannons? Pfft. Here's a painter's ladder I got at Home Depot. Now go get that Paeliologos guy.

[Azunai]

using 1-2 MaA regiments for siege engines is by far the best investment you can make in this game. siege engines win wars.