Unnecessary titles being created on ruler death

[Emrys of Ailliau]

my ruler is about to die after spending most of his life conquering in Brittan as the principality of Gwynedd. i pushed the over extension penalty to the point where I couldn't maintain the money I needed to create a new kingdom.

by the time of my death in the territory that I control only east anglia kent and east seax are outside of the de jure kingdom of gwenedd.

however the game is insisting on creating the kingdom of England all by itself when i die and i cannot find a way to stop it, I would prefer that over the next 90 years those lands just get integrated into the kingdom of Gwynedd. which is what the game tells me will happen.

I dont want that to change to some 2-400 years of me making my chancellor do it one at a time.

[NorPhi]

You can grant the excess of land to some unimportant family member and grant them independence. That should prevent titles from being generated.

[Rayder]

Because you are on Confederate Partition.

Switch to Partition or anything else and this won't happen. If you cannot, make sure you're not holding two top-titles, e.g. 2 duchies, 2 kingdoms, 2 empires etc.

[Emrys of Ailliau]

this is the second generation of my dynasty, and my only brother died during the crusades. but that dosnt change the problem because separating those lands from my primary title by giving them independence is functionally the same as creating the kingdom of England, in that it will significantly delay if not outright prevent my efforts to integrate those lands into the kingdom of Gwynedd,

my main point is that there should not be an automated function to create a title that otherwise i would have to pay a cost to create.

also I have considered just having my heir destroy the title immediately when he takes it from his brother, but that wont do any good either because when he dies it will just reemerge and the process will have to start all over again. i am currently holding 1 kingdom title with the option ton create 1 more kingdom and 9 duchies.

[Emrys of Ailliau]

it also isnt exactly the confederate partition either because if i disinherit or kill off my other son it still creates the kingdom of England when i die an my heir inherits both titles

[AngerIsAnEnergy]

You need to hold 50% + 1 counties in a dejure realm to make that higher title.

DON'T hold 50% + 1 titles until you can get and control the whole of the upper title in the way you want/need.

For example, similar situation to you I had a game staring in Powys. Steamrolled almost all of England - but I stopped short of the limit to create kingdom titles. Then dejure drifted most of England into the kingdom of Wales - effectively split england into 3 parts - North and South - dejure of England that was not created until much later, Mid was dejure of Wales. Wales consisted of Lancashire, Mercia and Hwicce. The rest of England became England - but without those duchies much later on. I got a bit bored to be frank, I was going to dejure drift every duchy into Wales, but I gave that up as stupid and pointless as there would be one less King level title.

Cymru am byth :)

If you've collect too much - make some of those countries independant so dropping the held title count below the limit to auto create. I think you could do that.

[Emrys of Ailliau]

the kingdom of England has currently 13 dejure counties of which I control 11 I know that I could prevent this title forming by giving some of them independence, however that has nothing to do with the game automatically for no reason creating a title that doesn't need to exist.

In this case it directly opposes my goal of absorbing the rest of the land of southern England into my main title the kingdom of Gwenedd by creating a title that previously has never existed, and has no need to be created for confederate partition due to there only being one possible heir.

this will effectively turn an automatic process which would take 90 years to complete to an active process that would take longer than the timeframe of the game to complete.

[Emrys of Ailliau]

honestly 51 years to absorb one county? what exactly is the point at all? especially given that when i made my new kingdom i instantly got more than 40 counties.

[NorPhi]

The de jure drift is a weird mechanic. It seems like it was meant to free you up from holding those odd bits of territory that would end up with a not de jure penalty if you grant them to a vassal. However, with no mechanic that would allow a vassal to leave your realm in favor of joining the de jure liege it is kind of pointless.
What you are trying to do is essentially the reverse of what happened historically, where the english Kings granted the conquered welsh territory to marcher lords who's only obligation was to keep them English and conquer more if possible. I the game this usually back fires as your own vassals are easier targets than the bordering welsh rulers.
De jure drift does not stop if the other title was created, as long as you control both titles. However I do not know if this applies to the councillor task as well. Once the title changes hands, the drift just resets I think but I saw that there was continuous de jure drift of Scottish territory into Ireland after I subdued the Kingdom of Alba and got that title.

[Emrys of Ailliau]

honestly if the natural drift still happens as long as I control the title I'm much less upset. I figured that as long as there was a title covering the land that was equal to mine then it wouldn't. still questioning why the game made a title with only one heir, especially a title that was not pre existing had in fact never existed, and only serves to needlessly divide my realm.

I understand that drift would have to occur if you took land from an existing kingdom like alba but conquering lands that aren't in an existing kingdom should just add them to your own kingdom.

[NorPhi]

It's for balancing reasons. The game cannot handle situations where multiple realms claim a region to be their rightful property. Thus, everything needs to have some default. The in-game options that would change these defaults are very limited. I think there is a de jure map or so where you can see the drift.

The extra titles that are sometimes created are probably the result of a bug in confederate partition. I had one game where the game created an additional Kingdom title for my main heir and made my other sons dukes of that title rather than splitting the Kingdom, so... Yeah, sometimes odd things happen. Maybe it relates to where the capital is. In that case I had the capital in London and my primary title was Kingdom of Ireland.

Btw. Kingdom of England is by far the superior title. If you don't want to take ages to absorb English lands into the the Welsh crown, then it may be better to just roll with England. The kinda messed up by making the Saxon kingdoms in Britannia into Petty Kingdoms instead. Unifying them into England should be a decision. This way once England is created it will dominate the Britannia (unless Alba is still tribal and absorbed Ireland).