Strange looking Balto-Finnics since 1.1

[technoir]

Anyone else notice how weird characters from non-Scandinavian northern Europe (Finns, Samis, Vepsians etc) look like in the current version? In 1.0 they looked the same as their viking neighbours, but now most of them have very Asian features with blond or red hair and big burly beards. Sometimes their eyes are so small that they can't even open them!

I would assume this is a bug considering the unlikely combinations of hair colour and facial features (and since as far as I know the population of those areas used to look like pretty much the same as they do now).

[CrUsHeR]

This is a new ethnicity, same like the dravidians in india. Probably didn't make it in time for release.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by technoir:

(and since as far as I know the population of those areas used to look like pretty much the same as they do now).

BTW - do you really believe that? I'm not an anthropologist, but:



1) All the Finno-Ugric people are, well, Ugric people, who descend from the areas east of the Ural mountains. Looking at practically any ethnic groups in that area, they have very obviously asian features. So the early Sami, Finnish etc. did probably not look similar to the white european Germanic Norse, but rather similar to the other Siberian tribes like the Nenets.

2) There are more than 1000 years between the 867 start and today. Plenty of time for peaceful settlement, intermarriage, slave raids, conquest, migration, and whatever else defines how the average person looks in a given area today. In particular the very long era of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union with the ethnic cleansing, deportation and resettlement has likely had a massive impact during these past 500 years.



Ironically, someone else made a rage thread about why the Hungarians (Mogyer/Arpad 867) are using the asian ethnic GFX in the vanilla game. Turns out that the Hungarian language is also of Ugric origin, so at least the original ruling class of the Mogyer invaders must have rather looked similarily asian like the Turks or Mongols, rather than the germanized population of Hungary today.

So if you see a 19th century painting of the hungarian migration showing white europeans on horses, this is nothing else than modern nationalist revisionism. And i suppose the Finnish may have a similar false image about their historical roots in mind.

[Seva]

You are strange looking

[technoir]

Ooookay... just so you know the theory that Finnic people originate from Siberia or Central Asia was abandoned several decades ago. We know that the Finno-Ugric languages have their roots there, but the people who speak them today don't.

As far as I know the population from those areas came several different tribes from east, south as well as west after the ice age ended and remained very static and isolated after that. I'm pretty sure I never heard of any massive medieval conquests/migrations/ethnic cleansings when I was in school.

Anyway, the main point I was making was that the NPCs with long blond manes and central asian faces look pretty strange. Maybe the devs thought that since they're the descendants of various tribes of very different origins they should have varied ethnicities, but that led to one third of them looking like scandinavians, one third like central asians and the last third like central asians with light hair.

[Lovecraft's Cat]

Finns don't share much ancestry with the peoples who gave them their language afaik. It's arguably the same situation with India. Maybe CK3 should feature more Indian rulers with blond hair and stuff, I don't know.

[boo]

All people are equal.