How to get rid of courtiers in Crusader Kings 3?

[KrisKawai]

I created an empire the size of half a map and my goal is to completely capture the entire map, but the more courtiers I have, the less playable the party becomes, when the number of my courtiers exceeded 2k, I downloaded a mod so that their expulsion did not waste prestige, and methodically expelled 1800 people one by one, leaving only the most useful but a year later, 350 more people were added to my court from nowhere, I no longer have the strength to expel them every year, I have not found the mod for mass eviction, the solution to exile in the game works only for guests and he has had a cooldown for 20 years. New courtiers are taken as if out of thin air, with religions that do not exist and have never been on the map for the entire party. Please advise a mod or some solution to this problem, maybe someone knows that you can edit the game code so that no one else comes to me?

[Hydra_360ci]

you lost me... why do the # of Courtiers matter?
Only # of Vassels matter.

[Half-lidded Bruiser]

Postat inițial de KrisKawai:

my courtiers exceeded 2k

Why did you install a mod that increases courtiers, if you didn't want that?

Postat inițial de Hydra_360ci:

you lost me... why do the # of Courtiers matter?
Only # of Vassels matter.

Could be a performance thing. Could be a character finder thing.

[KrisKawai]

Postat inițial de Half-lidded Bruiser:

Postat inițial de KrisKawai:

my courtiers exceeded 2k

Why did you install a mod that increases courtiers, if you didn't want that?

Postat inițial de Hydra_360ci:

you lost me... why do the # of Courtiers matter?
Only # of Vassels matter.

Could be a performance thing. Could be a character finder thing.

On the contrary, I set mods that allowed me to get rid of courtiers somehow, and 2k is the number of courtiers that I accumulate regardless of whether I have mods or not, for this reason, I no longer set myself too big goals like capturing Asia, otherwise while I choose a new doctor or cupbearer, I can safely go drinking tea while the game loads all 2k courtiers to choose from

[brownacs]

Postat inițial de KrisKawai:

On the contrary, I set mods that allowed me to get rid of courtiers somehow, and 2k is the number of courtiers that I accumulate regardless of whether I have mods or not, for this reason, I no longer set myself too big goals like capturing Asia, otherwise while I choose a new doctor or cupbearer, I can safely go drinking tea while the game loads all 2k courtiers to choose from

That... shouldn't be possible. You can't give 2,000 courtiers jobs and they should leave (hence Bruiser's assumption I think). You're 100% certain you have no mods affecting this? For comparison's sake, I'm looking at a world conquest Roman Empire run I finished a month or so ago; I have 60 courtiers. Your description of them magically appearing out of thin air as full-blown courtiers also shouldn't really be happening.

[theSeb]

I had the same problems and I have no mods that do anything to increase the number of courtiers. I did perhaps go overboard with sending family members to get married and be concubines and now i have a lot of relatives who seem to enjoy coming to my court to live for free and be useless. There is mod in the workshop that allows you to sterilise female and castrate male courtiers if they are not immediate family, not significant relation etc.

It kind of works, but this was not good enough for me and I did not want it to do the same thing to my vessels, so I modified it to only impact my courtiers based on certain parameters and instead of sterilise / castrate it kills them (disappear in mysterious circumstances). Now my court is around 500 instead of 2000-3000 and I can actually do things like assign guardians to children without the game grinding to a half as it tries to load a list of 3000 courtiers.

[brownacs]

Postat inițial de theSeb:

I had the same problems and I have no mods that do anything to increase the number of courtiers.

I strongly suspect that you do and maybe haven't realised it. I don't have more than 100 courtiers in any of my recent games (playing with no mods whatsoever). It shouldn't be possible to accumulate that many unless you have something affecting the 2% base chance to leave per month. Even if we assume they ALL have modifiers taking them down to 1%, you should be losing about 360 courtiers a year.

[jpcerutti]

Postat inițial de brownacs:

Postat inițial de theSeb:

I had the same problems and I have no mods that do anything to increase the number of courtiers.

I strongly suspect that you do and maybe haven't realised it. I don't have more than 100 courtiers in any of my recent games (playing with no mods whatsoever). It shouldn't be possible to accumulate that many unless you have something affecting the 2% base chance to leave per month. Even if we assume they ALL have modifiers taking them down to 1%, you should be losing about 360 courtiers a year.

If you get a large court for a large empire, and let them squabble amongst themselves, it does snowball. With the failed rebellion leaders, random religious whatnot, and especially the 'scheme assistants' as they increasingly try to murder each other. I am frequently in the 300-500 range by late medieval and am not 'huge'. More Byzantine, UK, Persia, or Spain sized empire than Roman, Khan, or map painting.

If you are taking the time to marry all of them and educate their children regularly your court can balloon.

[brownacs]

Postat inițial de jpcerutti:

If you get a large court for a large empire, and let them squabble amongst themselves, it does snowball. With the failed rebellion leaders, random religious whatnot, and especially the 'scheme assistants' as they increasingly try to murder each other. I am frequently in the 300-500 range by late medieval and am not 'huge'. More Byzantine, UK, Persia, or Spain sized empire than Roman, Khan, or map painting.

That's with no mods? Like I said, I do have a huge map painting run recently and I have 60 courtiers in it. I don't have a single game where I'm anywhere near to 500 and most of those games have huge empires. I could be if I deliberately invited everyone I could I think but I'd have to do it deliberately and I'd bleed courtiers every year (at 500 I'm expecting us to lose probably around 50 a year going, again, with a 1% chance of leaving per month which is probably generously low)... and that's still nowhere close to 3,000.

[jpcerutti]

Postat inițial de brownacs:

Postat inițial de jpcerutti:

If you get a large court for a large empire, and let them squabble amongst themselves, it does snowball. With the failed rebellion leaders, random religious whatnot, and especially the 'scheme assistants' as they increasingly try to murder each other. I am frequently in the 300-500 range by late medieval and am not 'huge'. More Byzantine, UK, Persia, or Spain sized empire than Roman, Khan, or map painting.

That's with no mods? Like I said, I do have a huge map painting run recently and I have 60 courtiers in it. I don't have a single game where I'm anywhere near to 500 and most of those games have huge empires. I could be if I deliberately invited everyone I could I think but I'd have to do it deliberately and I'd bleed courtiers every year (at 500 I'm expecting us to lose probably around 50 a year going, again, with a 1% chance of leaving per month which is probably generously low)... and that's still nowhere close to 3,000.

Oh they come and go, and I DO mod, but nothing that effects population *that I am aware of*. It seems to reach a 'tipping point' where you start getting more than the wanderers (which also seems like it goes up but not KEEP up) losses as randomish additions.

If you have plagues disabled, or are intentionally growing vassals families or courts to try and limit your size by marrying off those randoms, it seems to be even worse.

Adopting a tradition that encouraged wandering helps a bunch. As does plagues, harshly dealing with plotters, and lowering court amenities from top end.

And no, I've never had 3000 a month (or even a year, or even 500) randoms added to my court. :)

[brownacs]

Postat inițial de jpcerutti:

Oh they come and go, and I DO mod, but nothing that effects population *that I am aware of*. It seems to reach a 'tipping point' where you start getting more than the wanderers (which also seems like it goes up but not KEEP up) losses as randomish additions.

If you have plagues disabled, or are intentionally growing vassals families or courts to try and limit your size by marrying off those randoms, it seems to be even worse.

Adopting a tradition that encouraged wandering helps a bunch. As does plagues, harshly dealing with plotters, and lowering court amenities from top end.

And no, I've never had 3000 a month (or even a year, or even 500) randoms added to my court. :)

Maybe it's me but going through all my recent saves (I delete them every few months), the most courtiers I have in any of them (not counting prisoners or guests) is roughly 100. That's including several map painting runs in the late medieval.

[jpcerutti]

Postat inițial de brownacs:

Postat inițial de jpcerutti:

Oh they come and go, and I DO mod, but nothing that effects population *that I am aware of*. It seems to reach a 'tipping point' where you start getting more than the wanderers (which also seems like it goes up but not KEEP up) losses as randomish additions.

If you have plagues disabled, or are intentionally growing vassals families or courts to try and limit your size by marrying off those randoms, it seems to be even worse.

Adopting a tradition that encouraged wandering helps a bunch. As does plagues, harshly dealing with plotters, and lowering court amenities from top end.

And no, I've never had 3000 a month (or even a year, or even 500) randoms added to my court. :)

Maybe it's me but going through all my recent saves (I delete them every few months), the most courtiers I have in any of them (not counting prisoners or guests) is roughly 100. That's including several map painting runs in the late medieval.

Not sure where the tipping point is; probably somewhere around the 200-300 courtier point? I *intentionally* grow my court to near the bottom end of that. If I start stacking academies, artifacts, skilltrees, etc. by late medieval I can have close to 60 knights (used to be even more until they nerfed buildings - You could create huge knight armies in the Nile valley/Egypt - with buildings you could add 4 knights with *every* domain). If they're all married up, have some kids, and start scheming against each other...

[brownacs]

Postat inițial de jpcerutti:

Not sure where the tipping point is; probably somewhere around the 200-300 courtier point? I *intentionally* grow my court to near the bottom end of that. If I start stacking academies, artifacts, skilltrees, etc. by late medieval I can have close to 60 knights (used to be even more until they nerfed buildings - You could create huge knight armies in the Nile valley/Egypt). If they're all married up, have some kids, and start scheming against each other...

Did you play before they made the North Korea strategy impossible (own everything essentially)? That got you a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of knights and insane men-at-arms. Sadly got nerfed shortly after release. I've been going administrative in most of my recent games, at least towards the end, so not so focused on the knights.

I can buy the 500 number but I'm struggling with 3,000 without something else going on. That's probably around 10% of the total characters in the game in your court.

[jpcerutti]

Postat inițial de brownacs:

Postat inițial de jpcerutti:

Not sure where the tipping point is; probably somewhere around the 200-300 courtier point? I *intentionally* grow my court to near the bottom end of that. If I start stacking academies, artifacts, skilltrees, etc. by late medieval I can have close to 60 knights (used to be even more until they nerfed buildings - You could create huge knight armies in the Nile valley/Egypt). If they're all married up, have some kids, and start scheming against each other...

Did you play before they made the North Korea strategy impossible (own everything essentially)? That got you a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of knights and insane men-at-arms. Sadly got nerfed shortly after release. I've been going administrative in most of my recent games, at least towards the end, so not so focused on the knights.

I can buy the 500 number but I'm struggling with 3,000 without something else going on. That's probably around 10% of the total characters in the game in your court.

Preordered. :) Never been a map painter though, even when you could directly own everything (probably still can with a mod somewhere). Rebuilt Roman Empire sized is even too big for me to find more fun than headache playing - too much housekeeping to concentrate on a good scheme or two.

Still like knights, the tourney circuit, and even the accolade system (IF you selectively create a culture to take advantage of it), and using it/them to thrash an AI that will regularly try to take you on 'because your army looks small'. Knight modifiers are both ridiculous AND fun to use.

Travel system doesn't help the courtier congestion either. You can indirectly add 2 more courtiers every time you leave the house depending on what travel options you select.

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